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Sandra:
I think that we need to have an open and preferably televised debate between specialists in this area.
These need to be truly independant of any organisation or government body that would benefit from the outcome, whichever way it went.

From what that programme said, a lot of people are making a lot of money out of supporting the pro man affecting climate camp.
Governments are milking it in a way to extort more taxation out of us.

What reason do the scientists who claim that man has a negligible effect on climate change have for saying so, they arent benefitting financially, as far as I know, unless they are writing a book discussing global warming and need the publicity.
Also they may be riduculed and discredited by the pro mans fault camps scientists who are being financially rewarded for arriving at their conclusions, if they are indeed proved to be wrong.

GillE:
What I took from the programme is the information that changes in CO2 levels have historically succeeded corresponding changes in global temperature by 800 years.  I would love to find this actual data!  Although CO2 levels may now be distorted due to mankind's activity in the same way that carbon dating has been compromised, it means that the high CO2 levels up until the 1940s (when global industrialisation really took off) are really an indicator of what was happening in the middle ages.  And we know there was a heatwave then, as this (rather poor) graph shows:



Gill

Sandra:
I still find it incredible that a naturally occurring gas that makes up approximately <0.2% of the atmosphere, regardless of where it comes from, can have such devistating effects.
Even if man was responsible for 10% of the total CO2 in the world and we doubled the amount we currently produce that would make a maximum amount of <0.24% in the atmosphere.
Could even a 0.04% increase of any gas really affect anything in the way that some people with vested interests are claiming  :dunno:

The programme mentioned Maggie Thatchers part in the propoganda of global warming due to mans production of CO2 by over dependence on and the use of fossil fuels.
It was said that she funded the research to prove the connection between CO2 and climate change to promote the use of nuclear energy, after she had destroyed the countries coal mines, as she didnt want the UK being held to ransom by the oil rich countries of the middle east.

So is this yet another of Maggies ways that have turned out to be disastrous for the UK, even after she has long been out of power  ::)

GillE:
I'm not sure you can blame Maggie for this - if you ask me, it's more likely that circumstances conspired to bring this situation about, not politicians.  It can be argued that Maggie should be held to account for a number of shameful acts, but I don't think this was one of them. 

I've found the data I was looking for :) .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Co2-temperature-plot.svg

Gill

sam:

--- Quote from: Clive on March 13, 2007, 12:56 ---Sam I think you really need to see that programme so that you can evaluate it for yourself.  All producers have their own agenda when they set out to make a TV programme but there were some real scientific heavyweights from all disciplines featured in The Great Global Warming Swindle.  I honestly haven't heard any astronomer or geologist supporting the idea that global warming is man made.  Did you mention it in your talk last year?  No!  I rest my case!!  :wahh:

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Ok I will talk about it when I talk about exoplanets in November...

... oh and woops CH4... umm

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