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Technical Help & Discussion => Windows PCs & Software: Help, News & Discussion => Topic started by: mistybear on June 25, 2006, 13:35
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Ok this is probably a really silly question, but being as computer illiterate as me I not sure how this works. :blush:
I have IE6. I went into Add/Remove programs and it's not there. Michael explained that is because was already included.
I wanted to access IE repair through Add/Remove Programs, but obviously I can't.
So I thought I might install IE7, if I do what happens to IE6.
In other words if I decide I don't like IE7 and delete it, will IE6 still be there or will I have to download it and install it again.
:?
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dont do either... install Firefox! :-)
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oh and IE7 I believe will overwrite IE6
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Yes, that's what Michael has been asking me to do since I first got this computer, he has Firefox. :laugh:
But I don't see the point of having both, as he does.
Ok, if IE7 does over write the other, and I then delete IE7, will it return to IE6, as it does with Windows Media Centre. :?
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I agree with Sam (on both counts :) ) .
Personally, I'd choose Opera over Firefox but that's just my preference. Both are far superior to MS IE.
Gill
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im not sure what would happen if you removed ie like that. I personally dont see it like a choice. MS makes you have IE, but it is s**te, so you install firefox and never again use IE but you cant remove it. Firefox is so so more secure in so many ways over IE. My rule of thumb is.... NEVER use IE if you dont want to be open to lots of crap getting on to your machine.
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Michael says that since he installed Firefox he never uses IE anymore.
Ok, I'll give it a go. Thanks Sam.
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:-)
you probably will never use IE again, unless something like MSN messenger opens it.
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Michael says that since he installed Firefox he never uses IE anymore.
Ok, I'll give it a go. Thanks Sam.
It's better not to remove IE as sometimes Firefox cannot open certain pages but there is a plugin to open the page in IE.
I find when I am buying stuff on Ebuyer, Firefox will not allow me to go to the checkout page and I have to open it in IE.
Hope that makes sense, Misty. :)
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thats an odd issue with ebuyer you have there lona... is it just ebuyer you have the issue with?
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Thanks Lona it does make a lot of sense.
I think I'd be to frightened to delete IE, as I know how it works and I'm quite comfortable with it.
Plus it will take me quite some time to get Firefox how I want it.
Well actually it will probably take me a long time to figure it out first. :laugh:
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firefox is simple, trust me, its just like ie but looks slightly different. once you get over that you will be fine! :-)
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I have a Hotfix Toolbar attached to my IE and I'm rather fond of it as it allows me to enter all my emails addresses, very handy. I'm trying to find a way of either moving it to Firefox or should I just download it again. :?
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if you enjoy lot's of spyware and popups use IE. i recently changed to firefox
it's a lot better :)
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Hotfix Toolbar - what does this do exactly? is it a way of just entering info into text boxes or does it do something a bit more complicated? thre is bound to be a plugin for firefox that does what you want though.
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Have a look, I finally found it. Apparently it has been taken over by some other company.
I like the fact that I can put all my email addresses into it and it will alert me when anyone of them recieves an email.
I'm sure it does other things but I only recently downloaded it.
http://www.thehotfix.net/forums/index.php?act=announce&f=2&id=7
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When I type in Hotfix.net I now get this.
http://hotfix.net/index.php?t=MQ==
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Oooo here we go - another victim!! :twisted: ;)
You won't find Firefox a problem, MB, and when you install it, it will even import all your IE favourites for you (you may have to subsequently re-arrange these (Bookmarks > Manage Bookmarks), but nevertheless, they will be there).
If you want bells and whistles, Firefox has virtually everything which is available in IE - you just have to choose to install them. You will find a wealth of treasures located at https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/ (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/), and they are all simple to install. You will find the add-on Lona was talking about, to open pages in IE, here (http://ieview.mozdev.org/), but these days, it's rarely needed.
If you want to hide the IE icon from your desktop (to resist temptation!), you can right click an empty area of your desktop, select Properties > Desktop (tab) > Customise Desktop, and remove the tick from the Internet Explorer box, under Desktop Icons.
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By the way, I would be wary of HotFix, as a lot of these toolbars contain spyware. If you were to use the Thunderbird email client, this would notify you of new mails via a system tray pop up box, but I would have thought most email clients would do this anyway. Which email do you currently use?
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Hi Simon,
One reason I like the Hotfix one is that it sits up the top of the screen and just makes a little noise when an email arrives.
I don't like the pop up box, the noise is too loud, late at night it frightens the bejesus out of me. And then it disappears, I use to use MSN for this, I have to sign out of one then sign into another.
Then there is the Yahoo account I have.
So I have Hotmail addresses and Yahoo.
I didn't import anything from IE, but now I wish I had of.
Can I still do it.
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Yup - Bookmarks > Manage Bookmarks > File > Import.
You don't have to have a noise with the pop up notification in Thunderbird, and it does leave an icon in the tray by the clock, but I don't think you can use a mail client with Webmail, unless you have paid for POP3 access. I'll have a look and see what I can find.
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Here you go, MB:- Email Notifier (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2595/). Works with Yahoo and Hotmail as well as POP3. :thumb:
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Thanks Simon, now I really do have my hands full.
This sould keep me busy for a while, I only figured out how to make the IE toolbar disappear last week. Only because the address bar vanished, and I didn't know why or how to get it back.
But with a click click here and a click click there, things appear and disappear.
Ok the cat's getting cranky, so I guess it's time for bed.
(Try and figure that one out.) :laugh:
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A lot of people get cranky when they get tired MB, why should you be any different :P
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:laugh: :laugh:
She sits on the back of the monitor and stares at me.
The other night she jumped down from there and sat on the desk, in between myself and the keyboard. I could see less than half the screen and when I reached around her to continue typing it didn't work. She had one paw on the Ctrl key.
When she gets really cranky she will start pushing things off tables, cupboards the mantlepiece. Last week it was my rather large and heavy Nikon Camera.
She spent sometime in the kitchen for that.
I have a nick name for her and it starts with B. :laugh:
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You will find the add-on Lona was talking about, to open pages in IE, here (http://ieview.mozdev.org/), but these days, it's rarely needed.
Rarely needed?
I went to a news site to look at a video (using my new Firefox) it asked me to install IE6 if I wish to view it. :argh:
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Well, if you right click a link like that, you can choose to View Link in IE, once you have installed the plug in.
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:laugh: :laugh:
She sits on the back of the monitor and stares at me.
Mine hides at the back of the cupboard which houses my computer. Her favourite place is behind the monitor or printer. She keeps perfectly still for hours on end and then suddenly I see two huge eyes staring at me! One day she's going to give me a heart attack!
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If she can't here you Clive, those big eyes looking back at you, could be the look of total shock :shock: , realising that your there staring at her. :laugh:
Many years ago I had a cat that had come down with cat flu, and he was seriously ill. He couldn't see, he had no sense of smell or taste.
I went to see him every morning and evening. I would walk into the room and just talk to him, and he knew it was me. I would take food that I had blended, and put little amounts in his mouth and get him to swallow. I used an eye dropper to get him to swallow water.
To the vet was amazement he lived.
If they can't see you they can hear you, if they can't hear you, they can smell you.
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You will find the add-on Lona was talking about, to open pages in IE, here (http://ieview.mozdev.org/), but these days, it's rarely needed.
Rarely needed?
I went to a news site to look at a video (using my new Firefox) it asked me to install IE6 if I wish to view it. :argh:
I need it frequently, Misty, there's quite a lot of sites won't let you view using firefox, so don't listen to Baldy. :wink:
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You are probably correct about her being surprised to see me Misty. I hadn't thought of it that way. I am always amazed that she knows exactly what's in the fridge. She can't see inside as the door is far too high but if there is a piece of beef or lamb left over after Sunday lunch then she will camp outside the fridge until she gets it! Congratulations on dumbfounding the vet! Two years ago we were told that ours had a heart murmer and wasn't expected to live long. She's now turned into a juvenile delinquent! What do they know?
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I need it frequently, Misty, there's quite a lot of sites won't let you view using firefox, so don't listen to Baldy. :wink:
I'm starting to wonder why I installed it in the first place? :?
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Congratulations on dumbfounding the vet! Two years ago we were told that ours had a heart murmer and wasn't expected to live long. She's now turned into a juvenile delinquent! What do they know?
Finding a good vet is the same as finding a good doctor.
When my current baby was bitten by a snake (which I didn't know at the time)
The first vet I saw did a blood test for snake bite, but it came back negative so she moved on to guessing about other things. In the mean time our cat's face was paralysed and she was struggling to breathe, then, thankfully, the senior vet arrived and said that he didn't care what the blood test said, he had treated hundreds of cats for snake bite and he believed that is what it was.
He saved her life.
The first vet had missed diagnosed my previous cats illness, which ended up costing him his life. (you could say that I don't like her very much.)
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I need it frequently, Misty, there's quite a lot of sites won't let you view using firefox, so don't listen to Baldy. :wink:
I'm starting to wonder why I installed it in the first place? :?
Because it's 100x better than IE! I rarely come across a site that won't open in Firefox. I don't know what sites Lona visits, but you know what these pensioners are like. ;)
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Ok Simon seeming your so confident that Firefox is 100 times better, I'd like to see if you can come up with a 100 reasons why.
I can say one thing that I don't like about Firefox. With IE I can leave my favourites list open while I go from site to site looking for what I want, so much easier for me.
And yes I do know what these pensioners are like, as I've joined the ranks. :laugh:
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I think that most vets are only in it for the money MB. They know that people will fork out to have their pets cured and it's easy money for them. You can have your favourites open in Firefox. Simon will showl you how to do it when he gets back from work. Talking of which.... I had better dash!! :laugh:
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all of these novelty programs just slow your pc down, spyware programs are
written to target "internet explorer" stay clear of it. stick with firefox it's pretty
simple to use and it's only going to get better :wink:
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Ok Simon seeming your so confident that Firefox is 100 times better, I'd like to see if you can come up with a 100 reasons why.
Well I believe it has already been done: LINK (http://xulplanet.com/ndeakin/arts/reasons.html)
Anyway no.1 - it isn't going to allow s**te into your computer.
I agree with Simon.. I hardly ever find a website that doesn't work in firefox. It actually correctly interprets html/css unlike IE.
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#101.
Giant lizards are cool
Much more exciting than a blue e.
:laugh:
Ok I'm sure the rest make sense, and I figured out the sidebar. Much better.
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lol, i think the last reason is the best! :-)
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Thanks Sam! ;)
Hey, Misty Bear....
..... :wahh: :lol:
I think the reason you are finding FF dislikeable is simply because you were so used to the old familiar IE. It took me at least three attempts to get into Mozilla / Firefox, and I kept going back to IE, but that was about three years ago, when Mozilla wasn't all that brilliant. It, and Firefox have improved immeasurably over the last couple of years, and I honestly believe that if you give it a chance, once you get used to it, you won't look back.
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Your absolutely right Simon.
The reason I bought this computer is because I was so use to Michael's. I think getting a computer like the Medion 8383 makes you very lazy. Everything is included, it's only when something goes wrong, you realise that you know absolutely nothing about them.
By the way I'm typing this via IE as I couldn't log in using FF.
Any ideas? :roll:
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I need it frequently, Misty, there's quite a lot of sites won't let you view using firefox, so don't listen to Baldy. :wink:
I'm starting to wonder why I installed it in the first place? :?
Because it's 100x better than IE! I rarely come across a site that won't open in Firefox. I don't know what sites Lona visits, but you know what these pensioners are like. ;)
Ebuyer for one, Simon. Also I'm with Egg and need IE to view some accounts. There are others but being a pensioner my memory is not so good. :wahh: :wahh: :wahh:
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I need it frequently, Misty, there's quite a lot of sites won't let you view using firefox, so don't listen to Baldy. :wink:
I'm starting to wonder why I installed it in the first place? :?
Because it's 100x better than IE! I rarely come across a site that won't open in Firefox. I don't know what sites Lona visits, but you know what these pensioners are like. ;)
Ebuyer for one, Simon. Also I'm with Egg and need IE to view some accounts. There are others but being a pensioner my memory is not so good. :wahh: :wahh: :wahh:
That's more to do with the design of the website, rather than it being a fault in Firefox, although I do take on board what you are saying, Lona. I still feel that overall, the safety aspect, speed, adaptability and features positively outweigh the occasional need to switch to IE for the odd recalcitrant web page, especially give that the switch is made very easy with the IE View plug in. :)
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By the way I'm typing this via IE as I couldn't log in using FF.
Any ideas? :roll:
It's probably just a cookie issue, Kate. Firefox automatically clears session cookies when you close it. You need to tell it to save the PC Pals cookie, so you can remain logged in. To do this, go to Tools > Options > Privacy > Cookies (tab), then click the Exceptions button. Type pc-pals.com in the box, and click the Allow button, then Close. Click OK on the Options screen and that should then close, and you're sorted. :)
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Thanks Simon I did that, didn't seem to work straight away. So I deleted it from my imported IE list and re-added it as a bookmark, still didn't seem to work so I messed about with it adding and deleting. Well end result is it now I can log on using FF.
Strange thing is I have no problems logging on at other sites?
I'll have to spend some time reading the thread on Mozzila.
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Hmm... does sound odd, but at least you've got it sorted now. Did you tick the box when you sign in, where it says 'Log me on automatically with each visit'? That's what sets the cookie.
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Interesting that. I always tick it, but when I finally was allowed to log on I tried it without ticking the box. I think that was just a coincedence though as I closed it and tried it ticking the box and all was well. :roll:
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Once you have saved the cookie, which Firefox should now do, you shouldn't actually need to log in when you visit, as you will stay logged in until you actually log out by clicking the Log out button.
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Thanks Simon I did that, didn't seem to work straight away. So I deleted it from my imported IE list and re-added it as a bookmark, still didn't seem to work so I messed about with it adding and deleting. Well end result is it now I can log on using FF.
Strange thing is I have no problems logging on at other sites?
I'll have to spend some time reading the thread on Mozzila.
Remember to click the box that says automatically log me in, Misty. :wink:
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umm thats odd.. ebuyer normally works fine for me... though it is always rather slow.
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OK Now I'm getting cranky. :x
FF won't let me log in.
Used the link through the email no, tried the link through bookmark no.
Went back into options and re-allowed it no.
Went back and tried through the email link, this time it had me as being online and my name was listed, but I wasn't logged in. So I tested it tried to reply in this thread took me to log in. tried to log in there, wouldn't do it.
What am I doing wrong?
I went to every other site I'm a member of and no problems.
A friend asked me if I had been banned, but no-one was game to tell me. :laugh: :shock: :?
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This is starting to look good.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2717a8cb-0faa-4a8e-b5d3-987dc654acbb&DisplayLang=en
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Sorry Misty. I suffer from a nevous disposition caused by using fully tested Microsoft products in the past. Installing a beta version could result in heart failure or having to be sectioned into a mental institution. :shock:
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OK, let's sort this out. Firstly, there is not a bug in Firefox which prevents MistyBear from logging into PC Pals Forum, and as far as I am aware, there is nothing in our forum software which is incompatible with Firefox. When you say you can't log in, Kate, what exactly is happening? Do you get an error message? Is it saying your details are incorrect? Does this happen after using IE to log in? If that is the case, it might be because the cookie sent to IE is saying you are still logged in, and therefore, it won't let you log in again. Try clearing all your cookies in IE (Tools > Internet Options > General (Tab) > Delete Cookies (Button), and while you're there, delete the temporary Internet Files (cache) as well). Once that is done, if you able to sucessfully log in using Firefox, try not to use IE to log in here, as I think the switching between the two browsers may be confusing the cookie. Does that make sense?
As for IE7, personally, I wouldn't advise it, as it is still not finished, and there may be more security holes in it than IE6!
Obviously the choice is yours though. ;)
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THIS (http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/06/30/ie7_beta3_may_have_advantages_over_firefox/) is what the beta testers say about the new version Misty. I had no difficulty logging in with FF but I prefer to use a relatively unknown browser called Avant. It's based on IE but looks more like FF and Simon takes the p**s out of me for using it. :wink:
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What ever link I use to pc-pals it opens with forum page with my user ID and password already there, so I then tick the box and click log in. And it does it's thing and ends up on exactly the same thing again. I have tried numerous times using different links and the same thing happens.
Now after using IE on this site and FF on other sites I have come back here using FF and it now works. :? :?
I haven't been using IE except when I can't log in here then I use IE to complain about FF.
FF is starting to have a different meaning. :laugh:
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umm thats odd.. ebuyer normally works fine for me... though it is always rather slow.
You're correct Sam, it's only when I go to the checkout I have to change to IE. I always just use IE now when I go to ebuyer and it works much faster.
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What ever link I use to pc-pals it opens with forum page with my user ID and password already there, so I then tick the box and click log in. And it does it's thing and ends up on exactly the same thing again. I have tried numerous times using different links and the same thing happens.
Now after using IE on this site and FF on other sites I have come back here using FF and it now works. :? :?
I haven't been using IE except when I can't log in here then I use IE to complain about FF.
FF is starting to have a different meaning. :laugh:
Right, this is becoming a challenge now! It's got to be something to do with the cookie, or cache. Try clearing the cookies and cache from IE and also from FF, Kate. To clear from FF, go to Tools > Options > Privacy > Cookies (Tab) > Clear Cookies Now (Button). Restart FF and go to http://pc-pals.com/forum/index.php (http://pc-pals.com/forum/index.php). If that's not the link in your Bookmarks, then update your Bookmark entry, as it may have imported an older link from IE, but that's very doubtful, as you haven't been here that long. You will also need to enable pop ups in FF for PC Pals, so that you can receive PM notifications. To do this, go to Tools > Content where the Block Pop Up Windows box should be ticked. Next to it, click the Allowed Sites button, and enter pc-pals.com, then click Allow. By the way, you don't need the http://www part of the address, and this also applies to the allow cookies box, in case you didn't realise. Might be best to check that, in case it's not saving the cookie like it should do.
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You're correct Sam, it's only when I go to the checkout I have to change to IE. I always just use IE now when I go to ebuyer and it works much faster.
but do you trust entering your card details in ie?
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You're correct Sam, it's only when I go to the checkout I have to change to IE. I always just use IE now when I go to ebuyer and it works much faster.
but do you trust entering your card details in ie?
You're making me paranoid now Sam. :D
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Right, this is becoming a challenge now! It's got to be something to do with the cookie, or cache. Try clearing the cookies and cache from IE and also from FF, Kate. To clear from FF, go to Tools > Options > Privacy > Cookies (Tab) > Clear Cookies Now (Button). Restart FF and go to http://pc-pals.com/forum/index.php (http://pc-pals.com/forum/index.php). If that's not the link in your Bookmarks, then update your Bookmark entry, as it may have imported an older link from IE, but that's very doubtful, as you haven't been here that long. You will also need to enable pop ups in FF for PC Pals, so that you can receive PM notifications. To do this, go to Tools > Content where the Block Pop Up Windows box should be ticked. Next to it, click the Allowed Sites button, and enter pc-pals.com, then click Allow. By the way, you don't need the http://www part of the address, and this also applies to the allow cookies box, in case you didn't realise. Might be best to check that, in case it's not saving the cookie like it should do.
Ok done all that and guess what it works.
But that has been the case before, the test will be when I try it again tommorrow. Maybe I should just reboot now and see if it is still working.
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You're making me paranoid now Sam.
good :-)
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Ok done all that and guess what it works.
Phew! :laugh:
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I also deleted the bookmarks I had for it and replaced them with the new one and I have rebooted and it's all good.
Thanks Simon :D
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THIS (http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/06/30/ie7_beta3_may_have_advantages_over_firefox/) is what the beta testers say about the new version Misty. I had no difficulty logging in with FF but I prefer to use a relatively unknown browser called Avant. It's based on IE but looks more like FF and Simon takes the p**s out of me for using it. :wink:
Avant is probably safer than both of them Clive. :wink:
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Are you the only one using Avant, Clive.? I might give it a try.
How is it for privacy?
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Avant is probably safer than both of them Clive.
you are probably right, since hackers dont target it. I prefer straight mozilla myself.
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Surely, if Avant is using the IE engine, any vulnerabilities in IE would also be present in Avant?
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umm, probably.. but the question is is it using the IE engine or just emulating it? Also the core of IE might be fine just the rest! lol
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Simon is correct. Avant is just a tarted up IE which must have all the same vulnerabilities. :cry:
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why use it then clive?
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I dare to be different? :grin:
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and to have your credit card details stolen :P
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umm thats odd.. ebuyer normally works fine for me... though it is always rather slow.
You're correct Sam, it's only when I go to the checkout I have to change to IE. I always just use IE now when I go to ebuyer and it works much faster.
Is it a Paypal issue Lona, if so I came across this in the Mozilla Add-ons.
Might be useful. :wink:
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1538/
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umm thats odd.. ebuyer normally works fine for me... though it is always rather slow.
You're correct Sam, it's only when I go to the checkout I have to change to IE. I always just use IE now when I go to ebuyer and it works much faster.
Is it a Paypal issue Lona, if so I came across this in the Mozilla Add-ons.
Might be useful. :wink:
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1538/
No, Misty, I have no problems paying by paypal using Firefox.
I do have problems on Egg.com though and can only view my other bank accounts if I use IE.
A message comes up on Egg saying to have access through Egg to your other accounts you require IE.