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Technical Help & Discussion => Broadband, Networking, PC Security, Internet & ISPs => Topic started by: bat69 on February 02, 2003, 22:43
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As I'll be installing BB in the near future, but want to allow access to two PCs without one having to be on and acting as a server, can anyone provide advice on a good router?
What modem should I use with this and are there any restrictions on the lengths of cables?
Eventually I'll be installing a home network, and would like the router to be capable of working with this.
Also ::) any advice on the best hub, etc for a home network would be gratefully received, and any recommendations on network cards
Thanks :)
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Sounds like you need an integrated router/ADSL modem/switch combo Bat. This will do everything for you from one box of tricks.
Some examples of good ones are:-
D-Link DI-804V (http://www.dlink.co.uk/long_desc.asp?id=368)
NetGear DG814 (http://www.netgear.co.uk/html/prod_routers_adsl_dg814.htm)
Vigor 2600 (http://www.seg.co.uk/products/a_vigor2600.html)
You'll have to look up the prices yourself ;)
I'm not sure of the maximum length of cable you can use, but I have an installation at work which uses a 13m cable without problems.
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Thanks Sean, those three look really good, mind I have to confess to not understanding half of what they are capable of, or what they mention.
They seem to address my needs.... now to find the price ::)
Have you had any experience of these units or the makes?
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Clive will tell you all about the Vigor, Bat ;)
I don't have direct experience of the DLink and Netgear ones I have listed, but I have used the previous models and found them to be very good.
Another good brand that I've used is SMC.
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The netgear one looks like a good one for beginners, but I did like the look of the vigor one. Is it easy to install? does it take much setting up, seems you've done it already Sean ;)
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They are all fairly easy to set up.
I think they all have some sort of program which sets the IP address for the router on your local network and then from then on you use your browser and fill in online forms to get the router talking to the Internet.
As long as you are familiar with your ISP's settings you should be OK.
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Thanks Sean ... just have to find out the best price now, and identify the best BB deal that doesn't come with modems etc
I think I may go for the Vigor one seems to have a good spec
Thanks for your help :D
I'll probably be asking for your help again once I get one ;)
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Thanks Sean ... just have to find out the best price now, and identify the best BB deal that doesn't come with modems etc
Have a look at Demon (http://www.demon.net). They are only charging £24.99 a month if you install before March 31st and are not charging an installation fee either.
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Thanks again, Sean :D
Now to do a little ferreting around to see if they are any good.
That Vigor unit seems to be reasonably priced too ... I'm tempted ;D
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Check out www.pipex.com Bat. They have an offer on at the moment for free activation and either a free adsl modem plus splitters for the normal £23-44 inc. vat per month price or if you already have your own modem its the same price but they give you 3 months for the price of two.
Personally I would go for the free complete setup as opposed to saving the extra month so you could get adsl as quickly as possible then take your time sorting the networking and router thing out.
I think if you asked either Simon or me we would both say that we have been very happy with our Pipex ADSL for the last 7 or 8 months.
On second thoughts DONT join Pipex as you seem to have jinxed every ISP you have had so far ;D ;D ;D
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On second thoughts DONT join Pipex as you seem to have jinxed every ISP you have had so far ;D ;D ;D
Gawd, how true is that ... AOL are even experiencing problems now ... I'm more convinced of this .... hee hee when shall I give you warning of impending doom :heehee:
Thanks Sandra, will look into pipex ... I think most are doing deals at the moment due to BTs offer period, as all seem to have deals on until March
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:damn: Sandra, why did you have to tell him about Pipex!! ;D ;D
No, apart from a very occasional amount of downtime, I would recommend Pipex, especially if they are running offers again.
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On second thoughts Bat, Demon are rubbish. I can never connect to then, they lose my email, they encourage spam and viruses across their network and the price I quoted you was wrong too just add a 0 to the end ;) ;D ;D
(Sorry Demon, it's worth the bad publicity to not have Bat the ISP Destroyer join)
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Oi :butt: :not: I'm getting a complex now :youch: :aarrgh: ;)
but seems you are so welcoming :heehee: I might join both :P :P ;D ;D
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(https://www.pc-pals.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apax34.dsl.pipex.com%2Fsmileys%2Fnoooo.gif&hash=12c5fff9ebadd41c4991862c91f57e56a09f16d6) :help: Anyone know a good Broadband ISP?!! ;D ;D
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Bat, I have the wireless version of the Vigor, because Mrs Clive likes to use her laptop in the bath. ;D My PC's are hardwired into it though. It's a very neat piece of equipment and seems to have a lot of advanced features for the price. If you decide to order one, do so in plenty of time because they are all imported and I had to wait a couple of weeks for mine.
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Thanks Clive,
might have to delay getting my extra 512Mb memory, and get the router instead. Pleased you're finding it reliable, as I'm very tempted to go with that one.
Did you get it mail order?
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(https://www.pc-pals.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apax34.dsl.pipex.com%2Fsmileys%2Fnoooo.gif&hash=12c5fff9ebadd41c4991862c91f57e56a09f16d6) :help: Anyone know a good Broadband ISP?!! ;D ;D
Been looking at Pipex, seems a very good deal ... probably the best available ;D and seems you say it is soooo good, ;) ;) ;D
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:aarrgh:
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:rock: Bat :gofor:
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Well it'll be a good test to see how stable pipex is, if when I join them and good to wind up poor Simon :baad:
Have to find a few sources for Vigor routers now, seems the more I look at the specs, the more I like that one ..... and it looks like it has a lot of flashy lights on too :shuddup:
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Thanks for the recommendations Sean and Clive ... I've just ordered the Vigor 2600 from http://www.zionmedia.co.uk/ for £130 should be arriving very soon ;D
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Well it has arrived ... I'm now the proud owner of a Vigor 2600 ... now just need the ADSL connection ... trouble is, I can't seem to get the pipex site to sign up ... think AOL must be blocking it
I NEED it now lol
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I can feel the gloating from here Bat! ;D ;D
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Oh well done Bat! Yes I had mine mail order too. I would have replied to your question earlier (a week ago) but you must appreciate that I use BT Broadband so your post has only just filtered through. ;D Are you sure that Sean and Simon haven't hacked into your computer to prevent you signing up with Pipex? You just can't trust anybody these days. :heehee:
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I can feel the gloating from here Bat! ;D ;D
As if I would do that ;) :heehee: :heehee:
I'm sure Simon will do his utmost to keep me away from Pipex ... I bet he's been in touch with AOL to ban that site :P
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I wouldn't dream of such a thing, must be that Brunette!! (https://www.pc-pals.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apax34.dsl.pipex.com%2Fsmileys%2Fhehh.gif&hash=7214e912f864b1a91993c80ccba070e69d1adfbe) (https://www.pc-pals.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apax34.dsl.pipex.com%2Fsmileys%2Fhehh.gif&hash=7214e912f864b1a91993c80ccba070e69d1adfbe) (https://www.pc-pals.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apax34.dsl.pipex.com%2Fsmileys%2Fhehh.gif&hash=7214e912f864b1a91993c80ccba070e69d1adfbe)
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Yes you would :butt: ;) ;)
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It bloody worked didn't it!! :heehee:
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NO IT DIDN'T hee hee :sadgit:
Just signed up ... despite AOL hee hee Pipex .. here I come :rock:
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Hold on tight to your bandwidth Simon. ;D There is a giant vacuum cleaner in Durham trying to suck it all up. ;D ;D ;D
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:pmsl: :funny: :lol:
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Pipex .. here I come :rock:
:aarrgh: :eeek: (https://www.pc-pals.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apax34.dsl.pipex.com%2Fsmileys%2Fnoooo.gif&hash=12c5fff9ebadd41c4991862c91f57e56a09f16d6) :lol:
Best of luck Bat! I'm sure you'll be very happy together! (https://www.pc-pals.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apax34.dsl.pipex.com%2Fsmileys%2Fhehh.gif&hash=7214e912f864b1a91993c80ccba070e69d1adfbe)
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THanks ... and where you going next :lol:
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Can't go anywhere - you're tied to them for a year, or they'll charge for the modem and set up fees to release you.
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:rock: :sokay: seems I'm tied for 12months too, I don't want it broken either
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I hate you all, your nowt but fast flash gits the lot of you.
:go: :go: :go:
sob sob sob
:aarrgh: :aarrgh: :aarrgh:
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BB belongs to the righteous Tony ;)
I think Tony and George may have given instructions for your exchange not to be enabled yet due to certain subversive elements who may cause trouble if they had decent connections :-*
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BB belongs to the righteous Tony ;)
I think Tony and George may have given instructions for your exchange not to be enabled yet due to certain subversive elements who may cause trouble if they had decent connections :-*
Ah Sandra, we have another 3 registrations [108] this week on our exchange, so only another 248 to go!!!!!! I could always ask my mate Jacque Chirac to make ADSL enablement of my exchange part of a deal for him not to use the French veto.
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ADSL guide shows more exchanges to be enabled soon.
http://www.adslguide.org.uk/newsarchive.asp?item=1005
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Well Pipex have just informed me that start up date is 25/2 ... BT have checked the line and all is well ;D I will have to wait until I get back from London tho, before I can install it on the 27th :'(
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You are well on your way then Bat. :welldone:
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Looks like it.
I have to say I'm impressed with Pipex ... keeping me informed all the way. They also produce nice clear guides too.
I hope the service is as good once I've been with them a while. ;D
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Do you have this month's PC Pro Bat? It has a great article about setting up your network and getting the most out of Broadband :gofor:
Interestingly, it also has an article about copyright theft ;)
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I have but I can't find it ... obviously I'm blind.
I have the March issue, I presume this is the one you are referring to?
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Interestingly, it also has an article about copyright theft ;)
Whats that Sean? I always thought possession was 9/10ths of the law, ie If I have it its mine ;)
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I have the March issue, I presume this is the one you are referring to?
April 2003. I have a subscription so maybe it's not in the shops yet ;)
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Thanks Sean .. OK .. its not in the shops yet .. well not in WHSmiths .. explains why I can't find it .. hope its in the shops tomorrow .. give me something to read in the hotel
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I'm not gloating :heehee: but my BB connection is working fine now ... since ditching the Alcatel modem, and using the router (Vigor 2600), and sorting out a little id problem with Pipex, and I have to say their support has been really good. Only had to wait max of 2mins in queue.
Now to finish the networking of the other PCs .. in at the deep end
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Good news Bat! :gofor:
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Thanks Sean, and thanks for your help, advice and recommendations 8)
Just stand by for network fall out when I get cracking :o lol
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What are the min specs for the alcatel modem Bat?
I was thinking it may help Whiskas out if it will install on her 6x86 224 PC.
She could buy that off you a lot cheaper than getting a new PC :-*
I am assuming its the modem that requires a faster cpu and not adsl itself?
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I'll find out Sandra, but I have to send it back as they think its broken .. so I won't have one for a little while :-\
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I need a quick update on ADSL routers ... I need to get a new one for my new house, I like the Vigor 2600 one I've been using, although I'm leaving that one with my parents. As I've been out of techie action for a little while now, can anyone suggest a good router (I need it to have 4 ports, firewall and ADSL modem), also I'd like to know if there is a much simpler (and much cheaper) ADSL router anyone can recommend for my girlfriend (only 2 PCs to be sharing the ADSL connection but in different rooms)
Thanks for your help :)
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Hi,
I use the Netgear DG824M wireless router. Which has 4 ports on the back, an ADSL modem and wireless stuff (Technical eh!).
It is about £160 I think and it works great.
Good luck with your search.
DJ ;)
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Probably not "Supersonic" enough for you Bat but this one looks fine for your GF at only Our Price £30.02 ex VAT £35.28 inc VAT ;D
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=48449
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Why are you in separate rooms to your GF Bat? You should start as you mean to go on. :heehee:
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Can't fault the Netgear stuff Bat ;) Good quality and reasonably priced. I've installed a lot of their kit previously and none of it has ever let me down :)
Nice to see you back BTW - even if it is a brief visit :D 8)
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Was that "The" Bat ... :o (https://www.pc-pals.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.anchoredbygrace.com%2Fsmileys%2Fpopworm.gif&hash=c3ceab10ca090ab78c76ac29e39639fa6d5b4e21)
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Was it a bird - was it a plane...? ;D ;D
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Yes it is "I" hee hee
Thanks everyone,
Well my GF will be using BB in her house and I want it in my house so I can annoy you lot again when I get it all sorted. She needs BB for college and is sick of AOL ... ahhh I can sympathise there ;) ;) she can use BB at my house when she is staying with me too, so its high speed all the way :P
Thanks Sandra, that sounds about right for my GF, and mmmm wireless for me .... but I'm not convinced about security of wireless yet, and all my PCs will be in the same room, so good old Cat5 seems fine. But you're right San ... I need speed :P ;)
Any more suggestions will be gratefully received :thanks:
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Hi Dave so nice to see you back on here :-*
say Hi to the GF :D
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Thanks Serenity ;D :-* its nice to be back, albeit if only briefly for now ... doing to jobs at work and trying to get my house sorted is taking so much time ... I'm just hoping to get things back to "normal" soon and then harrass you lot with a vengence again :P ;D ;)
Ohh and I'll pass on your regards to my GF, thank you :-*
Ohh and hellooooooo to all you new members too, welcome and I'm pleased you joined us ;D
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I had a look at the Netgear DG814 as being the most likely one I want, but was disappointed to find it only comes with a software Firewall ... for something at that price approx £130, I would have expected a hardware firewall. The Vigor2600 has built in Firewall and is only £140 from here (http://www.zionmedia.co.uk/acatalog/Vigor_2600.html)
Any more suggestions? the Vigor is still winning
The one you suggest Sandra looks likely, but on reading the reviews, it appears to have a problem with Messenger ... has anyone had experience of this?
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Try this one Bat, the D-Link wireless one for £128-02 inc vat from :
http://www.lanshop.co.uk/dsl604p.htm
Has a lot of other LAN stuff too :)
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Bat, if you are prepared to pay for the Vigor, you won't find a finer router.
As you know Clive has a 2600 which was a doddle to set up. We also use 4 Vigor 2600s at work and, touch wood, never get any problems at all.