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Title: Could Linux help?
Post by: Simon on July 04, 2011, 11:21
A friend has a hard drive where Windows is on the C partition, and Documents on the D partition.  Windows is knackered, and the C drive is so full that it has less than 200mb disc space left, and the computer basically won't function. 

Would booting from a Linux CD enable them to recover their data on the D partition, to an external hard drive?  If so, how exactly is this done?

Alternatively, could they boot from a Windows CD, delete the C partition and reinstall Windows, without putting the data on D drive at risk?  Could they also expand the C partition this way, and again, would this put their data at risk?

I'm not getting involved with this one, other than to offer advice!
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: Rodders on July 04, 2011, 13:27
Why not just mount the drive in an external enclosure on another box and backup/delete out some of the crap from the ailing HDD?  Then you can do a windows repair once you've got some breathing space.
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: Simon on July 04, 2011, 13:29
Because they haven't got an enclosure or another box, and I'm not taking mine to bits!  ;)
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: Rodders on July 04, 2011, 13:31
What kind of computer-mender-man are you?   :o
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: Simon on July 04, 2011, 13:31
The current plan is to use an external USB drive to try to save some of the essential data, then to format and reintall Windows. 
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: Simon on July 04, 2011, 13:32
One that's tired of spending my free time on other people's machines!  ;D
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: Simon on July 04, 2011, 13:34
The current plan is, of course, reliant on Windows being able to wheeze it's way through the process, without completely croaking. 
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: Rodders on July 04, 2011, 13:37
One that's tired of spending my free time on other people's machines!  ;D

I know the feeling.  On the other hand, I've just had my car valeted to showroom standard in exchange for sorting someone's laptop.   8-)
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: Simon on July 04, 2011, 13:46
Nice trade.  :)
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: davy51 on July 04, 2011, 15:07
Make a copy of Puppy live cd

Use it to put all the info on a disc

When the live cd opens all drives should be mounted

Its basically an easy process once the info is saved on a disc
You can do anything you want with the hard drives

Repair the windows install or a complete reinstall


Puppy



http://is.gd/hNpqt7 (http://is.gd/hNpqt7)
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: Simon on July 04, 2011, 16:27
Thanks Dave. 
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: davy51 on July 04, 2011, 16:59
Your welcome Simon
Its what i use for all repairs and virus removal on all my friends windows installs
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: GillE on July 04, 2011, 17:30
I have a HDD partitioned between Windows Vista and Ubuntu.  Could I use a live CD to remove Ubuntu and free up more space for Vista?
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: davy51 on July 04, 2011, 17:50
I have a HDD partitioned between Windows Vista and Ubuntu.  Could I use a live CD to remove Ubuntu and free up more space for Vista?



Yes use gparted in puppy to delete ubuntu then use it to expand the windows partician

then you have one of two choices either install grub with puppy or use a windows disc and repair windows mbr


Windows mbr will be messed up when you remove ubuntu so it will need to be repaired before you can log in

Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: Simon on July 04, 2011, 18:26
What about the data on the D partition of my friend's drive, Dave?  If I use Gparted to expand the C drive, does that not put the other data at risk, given it's all on one physical drive?
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: davy51 on July 04, 2011, 19:10
Quote:

A friend has a hard drive where Windows is on the C partition, and Documents on the D partition.  Windows is knackered, and the C drive is so full that it has less than 200mb disc space left, and the computer basically won't function. 


Ill start over I didn't make it very clear


Use puppy to retrieve all data from D partition to hard drive,cd,dvd or flash drive

all you need to do is copy and paste to retrieve the data

copy from D partition to either desktop or a CD,dvd or external drive which will be shown in puppy

All mounted up drives will show in puppy and you can move data back and forth


Use gparted to either delete or re size D partition


If the windows installation is in working order other than not having enough space


Use gparted to resize C partition

You have already saved the data on D partition

So you can either delete it or resize it to make room for C partition


I hope i made that more clear im not used to giving directions more used to doing it lol




Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: Simon on July 04, 2011, 19:19
Interesting, thanks Dave.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: davy51 on July 04, 2011, 19:29
sorry it wasnt very clear Simon
Ive done it so much I dont have to think how anymore but its hard for me to tell someone how
puppy will do whats needed
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: Simon on July 04, 2011, 19:34
I hope it's house trained!
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: davy51 on July 04, 2011, 20:09
It actually is i have it installed on a hard drive so I wouldnt have to have a leash (cd)
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: sam on July 05, 2011, 12:27
I'd have just use a Ubuntu disk... I don't like puppy.

Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: sam on July 05, 2011, 12:28
I have a HDD partitioned between Windows Vista and Ubuntu.  Could I use a live CD to remove Ubuntu and free up more space for Vista?

Yep - but why would you :p I thought you were getting on well with Ubuntu.
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: davy51 on July 05, 2011, 15:32
I could use ubuntu or linux mint myself Sam
But when puppy loads all available drives are mounted and show at the bottom of the page


Puppy easier for a newbie to try a repair on a windows partition
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: sam on July 05, 2011, 15:43
I guess so. I guess I'm fickle when it comes to what I use. I guess it auto-mounting is quite nice, then again I'm not sure I'd want it to auto-mount everything, but I guess I wouldn't be the newbie trying to repair linux.

I'm intending to give mint another go at some point this week.
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: davy51 on July 05, 2011, 20:31
Try mint 10 not 11
11 still has the ubuntu bugs especially with different video cards
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: sam on July 05, 2011, 21:45
will do.
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: Simon on July 07, 2011, 12:23
I'm having trouble with this.  I've loaded Puppy, and can see all the drives in the Gparted window.  It will let me reduce the size of the D (Documents) drive, but it won't let me increase the size of the C (boot) drive, only reduce it, which is the opposite of what I want to do.  Any help?
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: GillE on July 07, 2011, 13:16
Yep - but why would you :p I thought you were getting on well with Ubuntu.

Ubuntu is good so long as you don't want to operate a TV capture card.  Vista recognises it automatically and is simple to use.

I haven't re-partitioned my computer yet - it's a job for when I've got nothing else to do :) .
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: davy51 on July 07, 2011, 14:41
I'm having trouble with this.  I've loaded Puppy, and can see all the drives in the Gparted window.  It will let me reduce the size of the D (Documents) drive, but it won't let me increase the size of the C (boot) drive, only reduce it, which is the opposite of what I want to do.  Any help?


Sounds like it didn't actually reduce the size of D drive

When you reduced the D drive did gparted tell you it was finished resizing

There should have been a progress bar showing it working

Then it should have refreshed
 and shown C drive then an empty space then D drive

If not then something went wrong
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: Simon on July 07, 2011, 14:49
That sort of happened, but it created a new blank bit of drive which I then couldn't do anything with.  It called it un-something or other, can't remember now. 
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: sam on July 07, 2011, 16:59
Ubuntu is good so long as you don't want to operate a TV capture card.  Vista recognises it automatically and is simple to use.

I haven't re-partitioned my computer yet - it's a job for when I've got nothing else to do :) .

wasn't there a list of things posted not too long ago on how todo this? Maybe davy posted it? I don't recall.

I though you weren't trying to capture TV with this one  :dunno: oh well. Soon you won't be able to use your capture card anyway. I guess? Or can it cope with freeview?
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: davy51 on July 07, 2011, 18:07
That sort of happened, but it created a new blank bit of drive which I then couldn't do anything with.  It called it un-something or other, can't remember now. 



That blank bit of drive is the free space created when you shrank D partition

it should allow you to resize the C partition to fill that space

click on the free space
then click edit at the bottom

a box should show up in that box is a drop down window

I cant see it but bet it says do not use this partition

try shrinking D partition by 1mb again

let it completely finish and refresh

And try to resize C partition by right clicking on the right side of it and drag it to fill the free space

If that doesnt work


Im gonna start screaming for sam :laugh:




Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: Simon on July 07, 2011, 18:59
The only options the blank partition gave was 'New' when right clicking, then it complained that there were already a maximum of four partitions, and I couldn't have any more. It was fine, as they'd managed to save all they wanted anyway, so deleting D wasn't a problem. 

I then had another problem which turned out to be a dead router, and now it appears to be full of viruses, so I'm going to reinstall Windows, which it would have been easier to do in the first place.  After that, I never want to see the sodding machine again. 
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: davy51 on July 07, 2011, 20:42
If it was full of viruses not much else to do but reinstall easiest and fastest way

The way it sounds a complete reinstall was needed bad anyway
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: Simon on July 07, 2011, 21:22
All of that said, I have to admit, I quite liked Puppy, and will probably experiment more with Linux CDs in the future.  :)
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: sam on July 07, 2011, 21:26
Stick it on usb will be faster
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: Simon on July 07, 2011, 21:27
Well, once I've got this other POS sorted out, I'll have more time to play.  :)
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: davy51 on July 07, 2011, 21:37
a whole new world of live cd's and dvd's out there
Title: Re: Could Linux help?
Post by: Simon on July 07, 2011, 21:43
;D