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Forum Information & Policies => Website Discussion & Suggestion Box => Topic started by: Michelle on July 24, 2005, 00:20
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I am writing for permisson for leave, as I am moving home tomorrow and british telecom are that busy they cannot connect my line for 3 weeks! That seems excessive to me? Anyway I've called and called and the last person said - hmmm thats funny your line is ringing, so maybe you won't need an engineer? ..... I've not checked yet as this is my last night in this house. Which reminds me BT should have disconnected this line at 10pm, how am I on line? LOL
Anyway if I'm not around I will be soon, with more tales no doubt of the dreaded mesh!
cheerio :wink:
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Best of luck with the move, Michelle! See you soon! :D
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Good luck Michelle.
When I moved here in 1998, I rang BT from the phone in the house and asked them to change it to my name.
They said that there wasnt a line at my address and that it was probably an extension from the house next door.
I said well I am ringing you on it and it didnt appear to be an extension as the houses either side had a different number :roll:
I had the same problem with the gas too as no one knew who the supplier was.
I was told to ring Transco as they own the pipe that the gas companies use and they would know who the supplier was.
They said that I wasnt connected to their pipe but they didnt know anyone else who could have gas piped to my house :shock:
Eventually it was all sorted out when they realised that they had my house number wrong and had added 10 to it for both the phone and the gas :?
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Hope the move goes well and you're happy in your new place.
Gill
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cya soon!
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Hope when you come back everything with Mesh has been sorted and you have a nice new BB connection.
Happy New House. :D
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Hope when you come back everything with Mesh has been sorted...
Blimey, we want to see her before then! :laugh:
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Good luck with the move
hope all goes well
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All moved, BT Line in, But no BB yet, could take 10 days? Ah well at least by the time Broadband is ready I should have a new computer!
Yes ........ Mesh has agreed the poxy thing has a faulty hard drive, and once they receive the software back (sent yesterday via recorded delivery) they will put the money in my account, they say I will have it by end of week/beginning of next week. I won't hold my breath but I'm just pleased I didn't have to take them to court.
At work now, so I'd best get off this puter and get back home and unpack some more boxes!
Hope you are all well
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You just missed an Aldi special last thursday Michelle :(
There may be one left somewhere if you ring around, 3.2 ghz P4 with everything you would need for £499, leaves you with plenty of left over cash from the Mesh price to get whichever monitor you fancy :)
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Welcome back, Michelle! :D I will be doing what you're doing in a couple of weeks, and will also be bereft of broadband for about 10 days. :(
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Welcome back, Michelle. :D
As "The A Team" would say "I love it when a plan comes together".
Pity you missed that offer from Aldi, it was a bargain.
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Hey I'm offically back now, That was a quick ten days wasn't it.
You moving too Simon, oh its a nightmare lol - start packing now. I still have a few boxes to unpack but most is done now.
I spoke to Mesh Wednesday/Thursday and friday, just keeping up behind them, they are so crap, first my refund was approved by the guy I sent my CDs too, then the manager had to approve it, then it goes to accounts and then it takes 48hrs, accounts have it now.
I will have to have a ring around on monday then, see if I can find an Aldi spare.
If not I'm down to PC World, at least they are just down the road if there is a problem lol
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Glad it's official Michelle! It's been quiet without you! :laugh: But get ready to dive into your bunker if you decide to choose a 'puter from PC World!! We will call you some terrible names. :grin:
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:lol: What about Toys r us then? they've got some of those type that aldi have.
At least it can't be as bad as MESH!!!!
Hey aren't I pleased I wasn't waiting for a refund from Tiny/Time!
Shhhhhh though I've not got it yet.
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Wb Shell :D
Dell have some unbeatable offers on every so often if your willing to wait for the next high spec one to come along :sheep:
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Welcome back! :laugh:
If not I'm down to PC World, at least they are just down the road if there is a problem lol
DONT DO IT!!!! :-) I got my laptop from PC World, I don't know why I did thinking of it! but it was a good year ago and I've had nothing but problems, though I have to say their customer support is getting much better. Heck anything has to be better than the Mesh stuff.
I'd take a look at ebuyer.com aswell, they have some good systems on their from time to time. If I had the time and you were a bit closer I'd build ya one but then you dont have any warranty...thats an idea PC Pals PC Building with technical support from here :-)
...if this has turned into a nonsensical rampage I do apologise - thats what the start of the footy season gets ya!
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Mesh nightmare up date.
Guess what...... they have still not put my refund through. I was told definately friday then, definately yesterday ... called today - not been done. So this is a week late now, if they do it today I won't have it until friday.
Oh and isn't it funny how all the managers are at lunch or in a meeting, the best I've managed to get is a supervisor calling me back, I have spoken to this guy before so we'll start with him.
I've also informed trading standards of this delay, and see if they will do anything about it.
Soooooo annoyed. :evil:
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Mesh nightmare up date.
Guess what...... they have still not put my refund through. I was told definately friday then, definately yesterday ... called today - not been done. So this is a week late now, if they do it today I won't have it until friday.
Oh and isn't it funny how all the managers are at lunch or in a meeting, the best I've managed to get is a supervisor calling me back, I have spoken to this guy before so we'll start with him.
I've also informed trading standards of this delay, and see if they will do anything about it.
Soooooo annoyed. :evil:
Time you frightened them again, Michelle. :)
Tell them if the money isn't in your account by Friday you will be seeking legal action.
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Yes, I can understand your being annoyed Michelle. Definitely complain to the Trading Standards Officer again and then threaten to take them to the small claims court.
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Another update.
I've been very busy, I wrote to trading standards - send various emails to various people at mesh - and posted on 2 forums, pc advisor and finally I seem to have made them notice me.
See here ....... at the bottom Shells (thats me in disguise!) :laugh:
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/index.cfm?go=discuss.thread&threadID=194877&ForumID=2
And here is just me moaning no answer on that one.
http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=6603711#post6603711
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Oh I like it Shell! :laugh: I can't see the post you made in the second forum because only registered members can view.
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You get them girl. :D
I would join every forum under the sun and slag them off to everybody. :D
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Oh I like it Shell! :laugh: I can't see the post you made in the second forum because only registered members can view.
OH I didn't think of that, oh well its just me going over what has happened, which you all know lol
Fingers crossed for tomorrow then. :roll: :?
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You just missed an Aldi special last thursday Michelle :(
There may be one left somewhere if you ring around, 3.2 ghz P4 with everything you would need for £499, leaves you with plenty of left over cash from the Mesh price to get whichever monitor you fancy :)
they had em advertised in their Colne branch last week Sandra. I was there for my favorite choc [flavour] covered toffee shortcake biscuits, best I've ever tasted 89p a box. I got 4 boxes bill come to £65 !!!!!!! well it was that DivX CD player, battery power drill and 32 piece drill set that did for me :roll:
oh with the PC, I do beleive you got a three ldc screen as well.
Happy new home Shell, and good luck on your move Simon
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Yeah was a shame I missed that PC - I've been reading good things about Medion. I keep searching the web for problems on various companys if I had taken more note of that before I'd have noticed all the web pages on Mesh.
Anyway ......... 9.30am (was sleeping, don't you love school holidays) Got a phone call from Mesh to say the payment has gone into my account. :banana: :banana: :banana:
See is believing mind you. :laugh: :laugh:
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Congratulations Shell!! You can afford to crack open a bottle of wine with the money you will save by buying elsewhere! :laugh:
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Hang off Michelle, there is sure to be another medion on Aldi soon.
They are selling them a lot more frequently now.
I am well pleased with mine and have had no real problems apart from a noisy fan which seems to be the norm with medion.
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thanks guys, I will be having a look around, but I'm not going to rush into anything, after all, this pile of ..... lovely computer has kept working so far, I just can't play some of my games on it, or put anything on disc or .... well its fine for now, like the next week or so. :lol:
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as you say though, definetly not worth rushing. I'm sure eventually you will find a computer thats right for you.
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what do you think of this
Intel Pentium 4 Processor 650
3.4GHz Clock-Speed
800MHz Front Side BUS
1024 Mb DDR RAM Memory
400 Gb Hard Disk Capacity
MultiFormat Dual Layer DVDRW & DVD Drive
128 MB ATI Radeon X700 PRO Graphics
802.11g Wireless Network Ready
Includes HP Printer & USB Cable
Hitlist 2005 Games Pack, 17" TFT Monitor
for £1099.00
I wouldn't mind a new printer too, smaller monitor than I'd wanted.
I'm not sure these graphics are up to much? Simon? It does seem alot of money but when I was looking before this machine was 1499.00 without the printer?
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or this? no printer or monitor
AMD Athlon 64 processor 3500+
Windows XP Home Edition
1024 Mb RAM Memory
320 Gb Hard Drive
M-Format Dual Layer DVD ReWriter Drive
256 Mb nVidia 6200+TurboCache Graphics
9-In-1 Media Card Reader
7 x 2.0 USB Ports
2 x Firewire Connections
56k Modem
£639
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The second one certainly had the higher spec graphics, but you could always update that anyway. My God, the size of those hard drives! :ooo: I do have a slight concern over these enormous hard drives, in that it must take a fortnight to format one of them! Also, should you ever in one lifetime, manage to fill one up, that's a hell of a lot of data to lose if it goes wrong. I wonder why the second one is half the price of the first? I know the first one has a Pentium, but that shouldn't make quite that difference in price.
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I guess cos the first one was in the PC bundle part and the second one in just in base units.
Yeah I guess I need only half of that hard drive really, I'm more concerned about graphics.
I've no idea on the athlon which is the best one - what do there numbers mean.
Everytime I open MSN on this it bleedin crashes, lol
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The amd 3500 + runs at 2.2 ghz the intel runs at 3.4ghz.
Not sure if that one is 64 bit or not.
AMD has since attained both of these goals, and has released their 90nm Winchester in a number of 939-pin iterations. The Athlon 64 3500+ matches its 130nm predecessor and runs at 2.2 GHz, while the Athlon 64 3200+ and 3000+ hit 2.0 and 1.8 GHz clocks speeds, respectively. These last two processors fill a very real market niche for AMD, as Socket 939 supplies dual-channel DDR for the masses and these processors hit the needed sub-$200 price point. The single-channel DDR controller on the Socket 754 processors is certainly powerful, but keep in mind that Intel holds the mindset by allowing even entry-level Celeron CPUs to enjoy dual-channel DDR performance.
In terms of outward physical design, there is no difference between the current 90nm and 130nm Athlon 64 Socket 939 models, and the internal architecture also remains mostly unchanged. The 90nm Athlon 64 3500+, 3200+ and 3000+ feature 128K L2 and 512K L2 cache levels, and include an integrated dual-channel DDR controller. The core voltage has been lowered slightly, with the new 90nm processors running at 1.4V, down from the 1.5-1.55V of their 130nm cousins.
Intel introduces the Intel® Pentium® 4 processor with HT Technology targeted for desktop PCs and entry-level workstations. This Pentium 4 processor features 800MHz FSB and 2MB cache in the LGA775 package. This new package is pin-less and implements a 4 wire fan control for improved thermal acoustics. This Pentium 4 processor is designed to deliver performance across applications and usages where end-users can truly appreciate and experience the performance. These applications include Internet audio and streaming video, image processing, video content creation, speech, 3D, CAD, games, multimedia, and multitasking user environments.
The AMD only has 512 kb L2 cache, the standard Intel P4 now has 1mb.
This Intel has 2mb L2 cache which is massive and will really allow the CPU to do its stuff :)
As its using a 32 bit OS there wont be much advantage until you upgraded to a 64 bit OS and they bring programs out that are written for 64 bit cpus.
The graphics on the first are rather outdated now, the second is about the minimum spec now.
As Simon says you could upgrade theGFX but if you can wait for an Aldi Medion then you will find that you have the first ones features with a PCI express GFX card, 2 to 4 x faster than any 8x AGP card although they only come with 512mb ram I think and it may be the Intel P4 cpu with the 1mb L2 cache.
I would rather buy a tower alone that way I could buy the printer and monitor I wanted rather than as a bundle.
Hope this hasnt added to your confusion Michelle :wink:
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Thanks for that fab reply sandra!
Its a bit clearer now, so the p4 is better - shame that graphic card on the first one is so poor. I think it is quite an old line in machines, thats why they've reduced them so much.
I don't really want to get a machine I have to upgrade right away.
As its using a 32 bit OS there wont be much advantage until you upgraded to a 64 bit OS and they bring programs out that are written for 64 bit cpus.
Did joudi write this bit? lol sorry!
So I need a P4 2mb L2 cache 64 bit - is that right?
I saw a medion in toy'r'us not sure what one it was but it was a reasonable price, but what would the support be like, straight to medion I guess. Although I really want 1024 ram.
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Talking about Joudi - is he away on holiday?
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The current versions of XP are 32 bit operating systems.
The next version of XP which is still in Beta testing mode I think, is a 64 bit OS.
To get the benefit of a 64 bit CPU then you need the correct 64 bit operating system and the programs that support 64 bit usage :)
.Just been looking on Ebuyer for cpu prices Michelle.
There must be some reason for the Intel being over twice the price, I suspect its quality and performance :)
AMD (Venice) Athlon 64 3500+ 939pin 512Kb L2 Cache 90nm Retail Boxed Processor With 3 Year Warranty and Fan Included.
£133.12
£156.42 inc VAT
Intel Pentium 4 650 3.4Ghz Socket 775 800mhz 2mb Cache Retail Boxed
£274.78
£322.87 inc VAT
The P4 650 is 64 bit too I have found out :)
RAM is relatively cheap now Michelle and very easy to get and add yourself.
As far as I know the support is quite good and I believe they have their own forum, Lona will know better than me about that.
Check that its the Intel P4 one and not the AMD one in toys R us, as you have already seen there is a big difference in the price between Intel and AMD based PCs :(
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Here's the addy for the medion forum, Michelle
http://medion.adslweb.co.uk/phpbb2/
There's also a medion website at www.medion.co.uk
I don't think their customer support is great but then who's is. :)
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OS Oh I see !! thanks! Yeah there is a big difference in prices there!
Just looked at toys are us, not too impressive, this one is the more expensive but the other one has P4 3.4 with 17" screen and GEforce 6200 128mb and only 512 ram. Which is £799.
Description
Features the latest Intel Pentium Dual Core Processor delivering outstanding performance and power.
Provides the ability for true multi-tasking
Enhances your video editing ability
Improves gaming with crisp, clear graphics
Please click here for a demonstration of Dual Core Technology.
Specification
Intel Pentium D 820 2.8 GHz with 2x 1MB cache and 800MHz FSB.
1024MB fast dual channel DDR II RAM (533 MHz)
ATI Radeon X600 Pro 256MB DDR RAM with TV out/DV-I
320GB (2x 160GB) S-ATA 7,200RPM
56K V.90 data/fax/modem
DVD re-writer - 4x DVD+R dual layer, 16x DVD+R, 4x DVD+RW, 16x DVD-R, 4x DVD-RW, 40xCD-R, 24x CD-RW. Plus separate 16x DVD ROM
19" TFT screen with built-in speakers
8 channel intel high definition audio
Built-in digital & analogue TV tuner with remote control included
Built-in wireless LAN 802.11G (54 Mbit/s)
Wireless keyboard & mouse
6x USB 2.0 (2x front, 4x rear), 2x firewire IEEE 1394 (1x front, 1x rear), S-video in, composite video in, audio in, line out, microphone in, , 2x PS/2, 1x SPDIF in, 1x SPDIF out, plus digital memory card readers for Sony memory stick/pro, smartmedia, SD/multimedia, compactflash, IBM microdrive, XD-picture card
Microsoft XP home edition (service pack 2), Medion power cinema, power DVD, power producer 2 video editing suite & musicmatch jukebox, nero 6 CD/DVD burning software, works 8 including spreadsheet, database, calendar, e-mail, internet tools and my organiser.
This is for £899 with a free 3inOne Printer which is worth a bit.
But whats an Intel D? Bit rubbish is it?
I don't know about joudi clive sorry.
Just found a great page for graphics comparison.
http://www.pantherproducts.co.uk/Articles/Graphics/GFX_Comparison_II.shtml
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Dual core seems to be the way that all CPUs are going to go in the future :)
Its like having 2 CPUs in one. The first core does the normal boring everday stuff more or less like when its idling so runs like a 2.8 ghz with 1mb cache.
When you start using it for cpu intensive stuff like video editing/converting it uses the second core so its like adding another cpu for that bit.
A bit like a turbo charged PC :)
I think that should do you for a lot of years to come Michelle, the GFX are ok its got the latest type of ram DDR 2 and plenty of it.
The screen alone would be around £250 and if the printer is a good one then as I said before you couldnt build it at that price :)
Aldi medions come with a 3 year guarantee, not sure if thats Medion or Aldis guarantee, has that got the same ?
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Thats sold me, turbo charged ! lol - so its good then. I thought 2.8 doesn't sound good. I've not heard of the D before.
Graphics aren't great though .... still better than most I've seen for that price, its a good price isn't it. Not sure if the printer option is only if you buy on line and its only until the 25th August!
I was looking at the guarentee, it sounds like its only a year, but they come out to you if there is a problem, I might have to check that out.
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That GFX card is a PCI Express x 16 so even better than I thought.
This is the price and the specifications of the card :
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=7190&GroupID=330
Wheres that one from Michelle ?
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Graphics aren't great though .... still better than most I've seen for that price, its a good price isn't it. .
You wont get better GFX than that with an AGP card Michelle, theyre supposed to be 2 X or 4 X faster than an 8 X AGP card.
I think just for the PC its a good price, with the 19 inch TFT included I would be tempted to rip their arm off :)
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thats the most expensive one from toy's r us £899 - oooh so its not bad then :laugh:
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Not at all, have you got the link ?
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:banana: :banana:
Guess where I'm going on monday :-)
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I bet they haven't got any now :LOL:
http://www.toysrus.co.uk/Product.aspx/TruHome/TruComputers/TruComputersDesktop/779415
wonder if they do interest free credit ..........
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Well I think you will be more than happy with that Michelle.
I cant see anything that I would want to upgrade, it even has SPDIF in and out for audio, with the freeview tv tuner card in as well you can have 5.1 surround sound on your pc while watching digital tv, and even send it to your main TV if you wanted :)
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I didn't even notice that Sandra! Sounds too good to be true doesn't it! :shock: :?
Wow, thanks for all your help tonight - I'm glad I got you on here!
I can even afford to get my new exhaust and Mot for my car with the money left from the money from the Mess PC !
If the money arrives that is .... :shock: :evil:
I'd better ring them tomorrow and see if the offer is still on if you pick it up from the shop. I'd prefer to do that, besides it saves £15.00 and waiting in for it.
woah, I'd better go to bed..... Night Sandra :wink: cheers :laugh:
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To get full benefit of the audio you will have to get some decent 5.1 speakers but I honestly cant think of anything else you need for it at all :)
You may need an aerial for the TV card but can probably take a feed off your existing one :)
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This is ebuyers price for the Intel Pentium D 820 2.8ghz :
Intel Pentium D 820 2.8Ghz Skt775 Fsb800 2 x 1Mb Cache Retail
£181.02
£212.70 inc VAT
I dont know how they can build that spec of pc for that price, and Medion dont appear to use cheap crappy parts.
Proper Intel CPU, ATI gfx and the TV cards are usually Tevion which seem quite good one. Lonas had a Pioneer DVD writer in so its not as if they do a Time and Tiny thing and use the cheapest parts they can get :)
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This one might be worth considering too...
http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&kc=305&l=en&oc=D08916&s=dhs&sbc=dimen_9100#bottom_anchor (http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&kc=305&l=en&oc=D08916&s=dhs&sbc=dimen_9100#bottom_anchor)
Change the suport service to 1 year colect and return to bring it down to £871 inc vat and delivery.
Intel® Pentium 4 processor with HT technology 630 (3.00GHz, 800FSB, 2MB cache)
Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition SP2 - English
1 Year European Collect and Return Service
Save £70 inc VAT Special Offer
FREE Dell Colour Ink Printer 720 (including trial ink cartridges, excluding printer cable) Special Offer
1024mb PC-3200 Dual Channel DDR2 400MHZ (2x512)
320GB Serial ATA RAID 0 Stripe [2x160GB 7200rpm drives with DataBurst? cache]
16x max. DVD+/-RW & 16x DVD
Media Card Reader
Dell E193FP 19" Value Flat Panel Monitor
ATI Radeon® X600 SE 256MB HyperMemory
Dell 5650 5.1 Surround Speaker System
Dell Entry USB Keyboard
Dell USB 2Button Wheel Mouse
Microsoft® Works 7.0 - English
Photo Album? SE Basic
Paint Shop? Pro® Basic Edition
Dell v92 Data/Fax modem
Very similar spec to the Medion :nerd:
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Doesn't that medion come with speakers? I didn't look.
That is a good one too cam, probably better you think?
I was looking at dell, but I'm nervous about their customer support, I've been reading bad things since they moved it to india.
But I guess you can read bad things about anyone if you look hard enough.
Apart from me obviously :laugh:
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Doesn't that medion come with speakers? I didn't look.
That is a good one too cam, probably better you think?
I was looking at dell, but I'm nervous about their customer support, I've been reading bad things since they moved it to india.
But I guess you can read bad things about anyone if you look hard enough.
Apart from me obviously :laugh:
Oi and me :P :D
They look almost identical and i'd say the little price difference is on the proccesor which is dearer in the Medion even though it's 2.8 as aposed to 3.0
It just gives you two options rather than one which just adds to the confusion :twisted: :devil: :wink:
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Oi and me :P :D
They look almost identical and i'd say the little price difference is on the proccesor which is dearer in the Medion even though it's 2.8 as aposed to 3.0
Oh and you of course :-)
Thats cos its a Intel Pentium Dual Core Processor - Its like Turbo, I know from a good source ! :LOL:
It doesn't take much to confuse me cammy, thanks for looking though! :wink: I'm gonna go with the medion unless I can't get one.
Just spoke to toys r us, they have one left in the store with free printer still.
Have to see if its still there monday if my dosh is in then.
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I guess they wont keep it for you ehh ? :roll:
Btw i'm sure i read that they had sorted out the noise problem that Lona was on about before they produced this pc :thumb:
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they did say they would keep it for me, but seeing as I've not seen the money yet I thought I'd better not, but they said they wouldn't put a ticket out on the machine, bit odd though, they didn't even take my name!
I hope they've sorted out the noise, I hated the noisey fan in the messsss computer.... not sure its that much newer than lona's though it was in there when I looked a while back.
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OMG have a look on ebay at what you can get if you know what components you want :shock:
There's a London company with loads on there but not sure if you could see them running or not :)
This is their terms on the assumption they stay in business :wink:
All brand new equipment comes with 3 years RTB Warranty. year 1 parts and labour and year 2nd and 3rd labour only.
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One advantage of the dual core cpu is that it should run cooler when its not being worked too hard so the fan will run slower, I think theyre variable speed dependant on how hot the cpu is.
A bit like the turbo analogy of a car again, when you dont need the power it just trickles along not using much of the available power, then when you put it under load or put your foot down in the car the turbo kicks in to boost the power :)
The medion has speakers built into the monitor so they would only be stereo and probably not very good.
The 630 CPU is a cheaper one than the 650, its still a 64 bit but its a single core cpu, again ebuyer.com price :
Intel Pentium 4 630 3 Ghz Socket 775 800Mhz 2mb Retail Boxed
£155.24
£182.41 inc VAT
Slightly faster but not a dual core.
I read a comparison review on dual core v single core but with faster cpu speeds last week.
For a dedicated gamer the single core had a slight advantage over the slower rated dual core, I guess its a bit like turbo lag to use the car analogy again.
For general use, especially if multi tasking then the dual core was the one to go for.
The Dell is good value as well but hasnt got a few things that the medion has such as the digital tv tuner card, dont know if thats something youd use or want but it would swing it for me along with the dual core cpu as I am not a gamer but do lots of multitasking :)
I suppose its handy for a standby one in case your cash doesnt come in time for the medion Michelle and you dont fanct waiting for another medion special offer from either toys r us or aldi or lydl :)
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Yes thats true Sandra, thanks for all the info. I watched the little film they had on the Dual Core - very clever stuff.
I'm not a dedicated gamer but I do like to play games and I want them to be able to run fast enough. I am more an all rounder I like to do a bit of everything! :wink:
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if u were a dedicated gamer then you would have to go amd, they stand out as better chips in the game tests (just look at a copy of pczone).