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Technical Help & Discussion => Broadband, Networking, PC Security, Internet & ISPs => Topic started by: TR on August 21, 2004, 16:10
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Ok folks not long to go now before BB (Sept 1st) Need some advice please, what is the best (cheapest) BB router to get or should I pay the £60 my ISP is offering on a ASDL Router, I have seen some on Ebuyer Here (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=1354280191&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X3Jldmlld3M=&product_uid=48409) do you think this one would be ok? like I said I need some good advice off you experienced BBers.
Hookstar soon to be on BB 8)
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The one on Ebuyer is just a modem (for one machine), whereas the ADSL Router your ISP is offering, is to connect several machines. Depends what you need, Hook.
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Are you sure your ISP is offering you a router Hook? £60 seems very cheap to me. I think Sandra bought a good one, and more to the point knows how to set it uo. ;D
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Have now just looked at the ISP set up and they Quote.
Standard USB External Modem £49.99
This is an industry approved USB plug and play modem which comes with all the relevant cables and software which will make your first experience a good one. This modem is ideal for the home user only needing fast internet access on one PC.This modem is ideal for people requiring a low-cost, easy-to-install modem for use with a PC or Mac. It works in the same way as traditional modems using a Windows dial-up connection. Spare USB port required. Also included is one line filter.
Click for Modem Specifications
Have found another one here (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=1354953460&product_uid=52897&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X3Jldmlld3M=&filter_display=both&filter_order=rating_useful&offset=10)
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That's an incredible price Hook. 8) I'd see if you can find any user comments about it before you buy.
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Unless I'm reading the description wrong you would still need a modem as well as the router.
Think you would be better going for a router and built in router. where's Sandra when you need her ;D
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I've only ever used one modem, which is the Fujitsu which came free when I signed up for Pipex. I know nothing about them technically, but I've always found the user reviews fairly helpful on Ebuyer.
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Here's the one I use. You'll need an ethernet card with it, but that will save a USB port and CPU resource. It's my 3rd ADSL modem and the best yet, while also being the cheapest! It's an absolute piece of cake to set up and definitely the dog's danglies. Note the price. This modem is currently obtainable from the shop next door to Rod's place (http://www.ezcomputers.co.uk).
(https://www.pc-pals.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hogarth-hq.com%2Fpcpals%2Frodmod.jpg&hash=aa2c35aa15280cd4f035bb5282653bed6ad47d17)
Description: 4 Port MR4A ADSL Modem/Router
Product Information: External ADSL Modem/Router for use on BT Telephone Lines ONLY
* Features:
o ANSI T1.413 Issue 2, ITU-T G.992.1 (G.dmt), G.992.2 (G.lite) compliant for Annex A
o ITU-T G.992.1 (G.lite) Annex B/ ETSI TS 101 388/ DTS TM-06006 for Annex B (ETSI)
o ITU-T G.992.1 Annex B - Deutsch Telecom/ U-R2 for Annex B (U-R2)
o Full rate transmission at up to 8Mbps downstream and 640Kbps upstream
* IP sharing:
o share a single IP account within your entire network via NAT routing way
o Enhanced Firewall function to log attacker's IP address and protocol type
o Reaches up to 18K feet in distance
o Enhanced management features to monitor all the incoming and outgoing packets and also restrict user's routing path
o DMZ and Port forwarding function provided
o Configuration and management operated via Web browser, Telnet server
o Operating modes include:
+ Routing
+ Bridge
+ Static IP plus NAT
+ PPPoE plus NAT
+ PPPoA plus NAT
* ADSL Features:
o Compatible with all leading DSLAMs
o Support DMT line modulation
o Support Full Rate ADSL:
+ up to 8Mbps downstream
+ up to 1Mbps upstream
o Support ITU-T G.992.1 Annex A & T1.413 Issue 2 for Annex A
o Support ITU-T G.992.1(G.dmt) Annex B/ ETSI TS 101 388/DTS TM-06006 for Annex B
o Support ITU-T G.992.1 Annex B - Deutsch Telecom / U-R2 for Annex B (U-R2)
o Support G.Lite ADSL
+ up to 1.5Mbps downstream
+ Up to 512Kbps upstream (G.992.2)
o Support DSL handshaking (G.994.1)
* ATM Features :
o RFC-1483 Encapsulation
+ LLC & VC multiplexing
+ IP
+ Bridging
+ Encapsulated routing
o PPP over ATM (RFC-2364)
o Classical IP (RFC-1577)
o Traffic shaping (UBR)
o PPP over Ethernet client (RFC-2516)
* Management Features:
o Plug & Play installation
o Local & Remote management
o Web-based configuration
o Telnet configuration
o Command line interface
o Firmware upload/download via TFTP
o Alarm status & Power indicators
o Event & History logging (option)
o Network ping
o SNMP support (option)
* Physical Interfaces:
o ADSL modem/router with four RJ-45 10/100 Base-T Ethernet port & one ADSL port
o ADSL Status, Power and Switching Hub LED Indicators
* Routing Features:
o TCP/ IP with RIP v1 & v2
o Static Routing
o Internet Access: Minimum
o TCP/IP
o UDP
o ICMP
o ARP
o RARP
o DHCP
o NAT (Network Address Translation) for IP sharing
* System Requirements:
o Any computer with an Ethernet 10/ 100 Base-T interface
o Any operating system that supports and Ethernet connection with an IP stack
* Security Features:
o Password protected configuration access
o User authentication (PAP/ CHAP) with PPP firewall: NAT & NAPT
* LAN Features:
o DHCP
o DNS Relay (option)
o IP Multicast
* DSLAM Compatibility:
o Interoperable with:
+ 3Com
+ ADI
+ Alcatel
+ Anymedia
+ Centillium
+ Cisco
+ Compaq
+ Conexant
+ Copper Mountain
+ ECI
+ Efficient
+ Globespan
+ Intel
+ Lucent
+ Motorola
+ Newbridge
+ NLC
+ Nokia
+ Nortel
+ Pairgain
+ Samsung
+ Texas Instruments
* Regulatory Approvals:
o FCC Part 15 class B & part 68
o CE mark
Price
£49.00 £41.70 Ex VAT
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That one looks like the non wireless version of the Wi Fi one that me and Adept got Rodders.
They came from ebuyer but were unbranded, they just had a model no of AWR-51 or something like that, I think mine was around £80 but some jammy welsh git bought his a few months later after they had stopped stocking that model and he got one from the bargain basement for a lot less ::)
Even if you arent thinking of networking or sharing your connection at the moment Hooky, a combined adsl modem router seems to be a better and more reliable thing to have than a USB modem, especially when connected by ethernet which most seem to have as standard with an option for usb sometimes.
If you are thinking of getting a laptop at somepoint in the future then also consider paying a little more and getting a Wi Fi enabled one.
This seems to be one of the cheapest 4 port adsl modem/routers around at the moment and it seems to get good reviews from ebuyer customers if you decide against wi fi at this time, it must be good as theres a waiting list for it so depending how soon you get enabled it may not do for you :(
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=48449 (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=48449)
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This one seems to get decent reviews on the whole and has wireless as well, albeit the slower 11mbs connection than the later 54mbs but for ADSL it will be more than adequate for a lot of years to come on the wi fi side, just a bit slower if you are transferring files over wi fi between pcs/laptops etc.
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=56082 (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=56082)
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This is the one on Offer with my ISP.
CopperJet 800-USB
USB-bus powered ADSL modem
The CopperJet 800 is an ADSL modem based on G.dmt ADSL Annex A technology designed to address the high-speed delivery of a large amounts of data through regular copper phone wires.
This modem is an active solution, being powerful enough to run the connection protocol stacks, SAR and ADSL USB interface in the unit, not on the PC. In turn this yields a very high performance and robust device.
The CopperJet 800 is very user friendly and highly interoperable ADSL modem. It is therefore extremely suited for the consumer market. The CopperJet 800 has proven to be interoperable with all major Annex A third party DSLAMs making it a very cost effective solution for those users who demand a reliable USB bus-powered ADSL modem.
Modem Specification
ADSL modem; ADSL G.dmt Annex A; USB bus-powered; User friendly Installation Wizard;
High performance ADSL connection; Windows 98SE, ME, 2000 and WP support
Its all soooo confusing :-\
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No contest really is it Hooky ?
Supplied crappy USB modem only for £60 from your ISP versus a 4 port wi fi enabled modem/router for £52.87 inc VAT plus postage from ebuyer from my previous post ???
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All signed up for BB now have to wait 10 days to have BT activate the line :( more waiting
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So which did you end up going for Hooky, a modem or a router ???
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So which did you end up going for Hooky, a modem or a router ???
Dont know yet lol.... probably a router ? finance dictates at the moment with building the new computer 8)
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Looks like I'm going for this one? what do you reckon?
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=1580947961&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=52754
Ps: if the link doesnt work ;)
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Netgear seem to be quite good Hooky and that one looks fine.
I was a bit worried at first after reading some of the reviews on ebuyer as someone said they couldnt open ports yet a few posts further down someone said they had complete control and no problems so I can only assume that the first guy didnt know how to do it and it is possible after all :)
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I've started looking too as my exchange is being enabled in January...
This was the one i fancied...>> ;) (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=59013)
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Looks like I'm going for this one? what do you reckon?
I've just ordered one of those for work Hooky. They look really good don't they. My experience of Netgear stuff has always been good, so I'm hopeful :)
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Me to Adept...but knowing my luck this week I doubt it lol.
As soon as I signed up with V21 2 days later they dropped all there Prices ???..so I phoned up asking why they didnt tell me they were dropping the costs, guess what? they said they couldn't tell me as they hadn't signed up with Telefonica until today..Ba$%£%$$£.
Anyway, they have now told me in 2 weeks I can migrate to the lower cost of £16.99 per month uncapped..whooooo.
Sod that for £26.99 I can get 1mb ;D
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However, V Two One hasn't stopped there - it has also reduced its
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To upgrade your account today from an unmetered dial up account to super
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visit www.v21.co.uk and click 'sign up'
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Ok..I have my activation e mail :D but slightly confused ???
Once your equipment is correctly configured for your machine you will be
able to check the status of your line activation through the ADSL
indicator on the modem. Once this light goes steady green your line has
been connected to the ADSL equipment at the exchange and the configuration
of your line should be completed within 48 hours after this. Any attempts
to connect before the configuration is complete will simply result in a
harmless connection failure. Due to the way in which ADSL operates it is
necessary to specify your username with the domain portion intact unlike
most dial-up systems. We have therefore included below the full login
details that you will need to enter when configuring your software.
Does this mean I have to leave it once its connected and not be able to connect at all over these 48 hours :-\ I will have withdrawl :'(
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Did you get the netgear router or the usb modem Hoooky ?
If you have the router just connect it up and switch it on then access the router through the routers IP address and enter your details, if it doesnt connect straight away it will keep trying to connect until it does so :)
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Sandra. I went for the Netgear router.
Ok let me get this straight, I only have 1 tel point coming in the house do I split that between my old Modem and the new Router?
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The splitter (or filter) goes into your telephone point.
One side takes the standard BT telephone plug for your phone or modem, the other takes the connection for your router.
I would think that you could have your modem connected as usual and connect the router but have it switched off at the mains.
That way each time you start a session on your pc you could switch the router on and see if you are activated and on line, if it is you're sorted, if not switch it off and use your modem :)
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Clear as Mud Sandra lol.. I think its sorted ..I have an extension through the house to a socket under my PC..put the splitter in that socket and split between Modem and Router ;D .
Just had notification from ISP saying it will be Thursday or Friday for connection.
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That should be ok Hooky but dont forget that any extensions that you connect a phone into elsewhere in the house need to be plugged in through a splitter too.
As far as I know ADSL would work directly into the phone line without a problem, if you had the correct adaptor, its just that the noise on the ADSL interferes with the phone if the phone isnt connected through a splitter :)
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Bit of luck I have ordered 2 splitters ;)
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Not sure of this is what you've already done, Hook, but I simply have a socket doubler going into the phone port of my splitter, so I can have my phone and 56K modem plugged in as well as my BB Modem, then if BB goes down, I still have a 56K back up.
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You are still with Pipex arent you Simon ?
If you have Pipex and a router it doesnt go down unless theres a fault at the exchange which takes your phone out too ;)
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I have the same setup as Simon and it works fine. But I haven't bothered installing additional splitters in the extension sockets and don't get any interference problems myself.
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Next Q :D
Does XP take care of all the different user accounts with BB and if it doesn't how easy is it to set up?
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Nothing changes on your computer Hook. The only thing you will notice is a dramatic increase in your Internet speed.
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All wired up and waiting on my ISP/BT to connect me :D
I hate waiting :'( they said it will be Friday maybe Thursday..Fingers crossed.
I have noticed since I have put the filter in my 56k connection only manages 33k now.. >:( :-X ??? WTF
Also the lights on the router are on..well 2 are on: power light and a i in a circle is alight but the light with the cable from the pc is in is flashing? I take it that will go steady once BB is finally connected.
Hook Patiently waiting: :)
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Whoooooooooooooosh ;D (https://www.pc-pals.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.mg-rover.org%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fnaughty.gif&hash=6a14ce4984c035e77c49be4203fc0cb8a28425a3)
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Welcome to the 21st century Hook! ;D
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Why thank you Clive :D what a difference.. trouble is now for the next 2 days I will be catching up to you :P
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Signed up for 1MB today @ £24 PM :heehee: