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General Discussion => Science & Nature => Topic started by: sam on March 20, 2011, 14:58

Title: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: sam on March 20, 2011, 14:58

really nice plot from XKCD:

http://xkcd.com/radiation/

Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: Simon on March 20, 2011, 15:15
 :stars:
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Post by: Rik on March 20, 2011, 16:05
Can I have subtitles please, Sam? :)
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: sam on March 20, 2011, 16:46
I thought it was quite clear.
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: Rik on March 20, 2011, 16:48
That's 'cos you're a scientist. ;)
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: Clive on March 20, 2011, 21:02
It couldn't be more clear Sam!  It puts it all into perspective!
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: sam on March 20, 2011, 23:45
That's 'cos you're a scientist. ;)

yeah but its dots that represent a certain dose and they get bigger depending on the dosage..
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: Simon on March 20, 2011, 23:52
It does make a kind of sense, looking at it again.  But do we know what the levels of radiation are being emitted by Fukushima?
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: Clive on March 21, 2011, 11:30
I don't think they are that worrying unless you are one of the workers at the plant. 
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: Simon on March 21, 2011, 11:34
Might be a daft question, but is radiation 'contagious' from person to person?
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: Clive on March 21, 2011, 12:26
Only of you have a very high dose.   ;D
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: Rik on March 21, 2011, 12:39
And glow in the dark.
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: sam on March 21, 2011, 14:19
Might be a daft question, but is radiation 'contagious' from person to person?

I guess if you had a source of radioactive material that could penetrate the skin, i.e. gamma radiation, then yes. But generally no. We all have low levels of radiation produced from potassium in our bones (I think that's the right element). The level a person would produce would be very very low, compared to just bricks in a house.

I'm wondering if I'm less bothered about radiation because from day one at school we were exposed to subjects like this. I bet many didn't really take it in, but we did demonstrations of different radioactive particles and well the most ionising types are stopped by a piece of paper.. never mind the skin.

Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: Clive on March 21, 2011, 14:33
Yes, there are radioactive particles bombarding you all the time from various articles you have about your person or within your house.  Your wristwatch, smoke alarm and work tops to name but a few.  :)
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: Rik on March 21, 2011, 16:05
I thought luminous dials were no longer radioactive, Clive?
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: daveeb on March 21, 2011, 19:54
I thought luminous dials were no longer radioactive, Clive?

they're not supposed to be but i reckon a few of the cheap chinese fakes could be a bit dodgy.

As an aside at the turn of the 19th century you could get "sodastream" machines that made you a fizzy radium drink , yum.  :stars:

Excellent chart by the way Sam, consider it stolen.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: Clive on March 21, 2011, 21:33
We had a Geiger counter in the lab at which I used to work and it used to go into a frenzy if I placed my watch next to it.  But I think the radioactive substance was promethium 147  and not radium as was used previously.  They may well have changed to something less radioactive in recent years.  Wimps!!   :laugh:
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Post by: GillE on March 22, 2011, 10:31
Apparently the BBC Philharmonic Orchestra's instruments are now radioactive after their tour of Japan!
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Post by: Simon on March 22, 2011, 11:43
Well I'm blowed!
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: Rik on March 22, 2011, 16:13
Or brassed off. ;)
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: Simon on March 22, 2011, 18:41
 :)x
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: sam on March 23, 2011, 03:06
Apparently the BBC Philharmonic Orchestra's instruments are now radioactive after their tour of Japan!

what, did they stand on top of the nuclear reactor?

Oh this article... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1368052/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-Tea-sandwiches-English-evacuation.html?ito=feeds-newsxml  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: GillE on March 23, 2011, 09:57
It was also reported in a BBC Radio 5 news bulletin.

I bet they wouldn't have been popular if they had been playing Handel's Water Music.  Incidentally, I hear the water in Tokyo is now regarded as unfit for babies to drink due to radioactive contamination.  Tokyo is about 240 km (150 miles) from Fukushima!
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: Simon on March 23, 2011, 10:13
It does now seem as though they may have been playing it down a bit.  :(
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: sam on March 23, 2011, 13:01
I don't know everything I've heard about the radioactive release sounds reasonable.

Quote
But, even though the level is more than twice the 100 becquerels per litre experts say is safe for infants to consume, older children and adults are being told they have no reason to fear water from their taps


http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStoriesV2/20110323/japan-fukushima-radiation-contamination-concerns-110323/


The radon concentration in an average UK house gives 20 becquerels per cubic metre.
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: daveeb on March 23, 2011, 15:30
The radon concentration in an average UK house gives 20 becquerels per cubic metre.

And the amount at which you are recommended to take steps to reduce the level is 400 becquerels per cubic metre i think (unless it's been reduced recently).
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: GillE on March 23, 2011, 16:09
I should imagine much would depend on your body mass.  Smaller people (such as children) would be affected worse than adults.
Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: sam on March 24, 2011, 00:55
though the cross section of radiation encountered would be smaller.

Title: Re: Radiation Dose Chart
Post by: daveeb on March 24, 2011, 10:34
I should imagine much would depend on your body mass.  Smaller people (such as children) would be affected worse than adults.

Children are more susceptible as some organs are not fully matured and are more prone to chromosome damage. Younger adults are more susceptible than older ones as they have longer to live for the radiation effects to occur.