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Technical Help & Discussion => Self Building, Upgrading & General Hardware Help => Topic started by: bat69 on November 04, 2002, 10:41
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I'm back at it ;)
Here is a guide (http://www.tech-pc.co.uk/cooling.php) for beginners, looking into cooling their system. I haven't checked it all out yet, but its worth a look if you want to tinker with your CPU settings ;D
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Bat, I fell asleep reading all that stuff which was way over my head. I think a pail of water thrown at the machine will do me. ;D ;D ;D
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Ahhhh so you're into water cooling Lona ;) now then .... :o
Here's another comparison (http://www.technoyard.com/hardware/miscellaneous/SocketACoolers/page_1.html) of coolers for Socket A processors ::) ;)
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All I do when the poor old thing starts to smoke is open the window as this has a number of distinct advantages over many other methods.
First it lets the smoke out (you can then see what you are doing) second the blast of cold air from the open window is guaranteed to cool anything, and lastly its FREE. ;D ;D ;D
Sorry just could not resist. :-X :-X
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I'm back at it ;)
Here is a guide (http://www.tech-pc.co.uk/cooling.php) for beginners, looking into cooling their system. I haven't checked it all out yet, but its worth a look if you want to tinker with your CPU settings ;D
Bat, are you trying to turn me into a techy or was it the poker advert you sent me to. I could always turn into a gambler and join a gamblers anonymous forum ;D ;D ;D
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Well Clive already thinks I'm trying to take over the world, so turning you into a techie might be something to try, which would be more difficult? ;)
Mustapha, you are soooo right ;)
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You can't teach an old dog new tricks Bat ;D ;D ;D
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Don't tempt me, I seem to try anything these days :o :o ;)
This could just (http://www.ocia.net/reviews/sk7/sk7.shtml) be the cooler for me, a review of the ThermalRight SK7 8) 8) 8)
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Naaa I opted for the Thermalright SLK 800 ;D
But here's a review of the Thermaltake Smart Fan 2 Go Here (http://www.monster-hardware.com/reviews/ttsmartfan2%201.htm)
/me fixed the URL
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Cop a load of this (http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030113/index.html) a 34 way alternatinve to the stock AMD cooler from Toms
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Right Bat,
lets check running temps, right now all I'm running is this site and MS Outlook, on a AMD XP2000+ with a standared CPU heatsink and fan. Apart from the CPU fan and the PSU fan I also have a 8cm exhaust fan running.
{ I also have a input fan installed but not connected at this time ]
CPU temp 45 degrees System temp 33 degrees
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Hi Tony .... is this a challenge ;) :P
Okay, I have an 80mm intake fan running, 3x40mm intake fans running in a HD cooler bay, 2x 80mm exhaust fans, and 2x 80mm exhausting fans in the PSU. I have a Thermalright SLK 800 heatsink, lapped and using ArcticSilver 3 thermal paste, with a Thermaltake SmartFan 2 (thermal sensor attached to CPU core)
Readings : case temp 27deg and CPU 30deg 8)
Ohh and its an XP2400+ (2GHz) running at 2.2GHz with 1.65v core voltage
And I haven't finished overclocking it yet >:D >:D >:D
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Hi Tony .... is this a challenge ;) :P
No way bat was it a challenge, not likely with such a cool dude as yourself. I was just wanting to compare a nigh on accepted industry standard [what you would expect if you bought a home PC of the shelf] as against a oveclocking nutters setup ;D ;)
See, anybody wanting to build their own PC for normal useage, on visiting this site for advice, could believe they need an expensive cooling set up like yours.
I mean it is horses for courses at the end of the day, if your not an overclocking nut then a £12 bog standard CPU fan and maybe an additional exhaust fan [on top of the PSU fan] at £5 is ample.
Your set up does work as one can see by the temp readings it achieves. And so it should when you consider you have the equivalent of 52cm of fan cooling against 16cm in my system, and a state of the art CPU cooling setup against a bog standard H/S&Fan. Go on make my eyes water, how much did all that cooling kit cost ?
I note my MSI motherboard has a CPU temp monitoring and cut-off safety feature. If enabled it switches of your system if the CPU reaches temperatures that may be considered to high for the health of the CPU. The settings start at 70 up to 95 degrees in 5 degree increments. So the assumption is that temps up to 70 degrees must be considered well within the CPU's working capabilities, as a 25 degree range up to 95 is still avaliable as a working range.
Anybody know what AMD reckon is the accepted or ideal working temp for XP CPU's in a home PC working under normal conditions.
So come on peeps [well those with the ability to record system temps] what are your systems running at [please state CPU make and size and forms of cooling]
I have just connected up that spare intake fan I have installed in the case, and the temps are CPU 41 degrees and System 30 degrees. Of course I do not know if the room temp is the same as it was last night when I took the first reading.
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It is very likely that getting the extra cool air in your case can account for a few deg difference, especially if your PSU is pulling the hot air from just above your heatsink.
The case fans I'm using are just YS-Tech 80mm ones and only cost about £5, but I've chosen ones with good cu.f/m (cubic feet air per minute) and the other case fan is an Akasa LED one, coz it looks nice :P
The Thermaltake SmartFan 2 costs £10 and the heatsink (which is supplied without fan) costs £45 and it took 2.5hrs to lap the heatsink base to a mirror finish with wet/dry
I wouldn't like my CPU to go over 80deg ... I'm not sure of the exact recommended highest temp (I think its 90deg ... but I will check that out). I have my thermal cut off set at 65deg at the moment while I'm starting to o/clock it, but I do keep a careful check on temps.
The ideal temp varies, as does the accuracy of the sensing. The new XP chips have thermal sensing built into the CPU core, and modern mobos have this activated to enable better sensing and auto control for overheating. Intel chips have this feature built into them, so I'd say they are safer than the AMDs and Pentiums run cooler too, although the new "thoroughbred" XPs (2400+ and above) do run cooler
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AMD Athlon XP 1800 CPU
CPU Temp 45C
System Temp 36C
CPU Cooling fan: Arctic Cooler Super Silent 2000 - cost £25
Exhaust fan: Bog Standard Novatech - cost £8
That's OK, isn't it?
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Cheers bat,
I have the CPU motherboard cut-off temp sensor set at the minimum setting of 70 degrees.
Simon,
Your temps appear to be the norm for an XP Chip if mine is anything to go by. Mind you some how I don't think you were seeking reasurance from me ;)
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Yeah, those temps seem pretty normal for stock heatsinks and fans with those stoopid thermal pads that they use.
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Mine hasn't got a stoopid thermal pad, it's stuck on with Arctic Silver! I must admit, I didn't take three days to smooth it down, like you Bat! :P ;D
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Ahhh but that finishes it off properly ... you see, if the surface is rough, then air can be trapped, and air is a good insulator, which is not what you need for the most efficient cooling.
I hope you used the Arctic Silver instructions ;)
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I hope you used the Arctic Silver instructions ;)
Oh, yes! Credit Cards have many uses! ;) ;D
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I'm just using the pad that came attached to the heatsink/fan combo. Simon, I must say seeing as your upgrade heatsink/fan and Artic Silver paste comes in at ball park 200% more than the bog standard version, I would have expected you to achieve lower temps than my setup. ;)
I have checked the temps tonight since I connected the intake fan, and the temps are CPU 44 System 33 as against 45 and 33 last night. So as one assumes the same room temp, the additional input fan has made very little diference. On the face of it not worth the extra time and effort of drilling holes and the addtional purchase cost. But having said that, the fan does blown incoming air directly onto my hard drive, so I dare say it will insure it stays cool.
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Simon, I must say seeing as your upgrade heatsink/fan and Artic Silver paste comes in at ball park 200% more than the bog standard version, I would have expected you to achieve lower temps than my setup. ;)
As long as it works, Tony, the figures don't really bother me. Perhaps mine will last 200% longer than yours! :D
At the risk of being a thicket, is there an easier way to check temps than going into BIOS? :-[
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As long as it works, Tony, the figures don't really bother me. Perhaps mine will last 200% longer than yours! :D
mmmmmmmm handbags ;)
At the risk of being a thicket, is there an easier way to check temps than going into BIOS? :-[
I get my temp readings amoungst other things from a utility that comes with the MSI motherboard.
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Whilst we are on the subject of heatsinks and pads and paste, here's a little story.
My first PC a AMD K6 200Mhz job has been running for nearly five years now. And about 2.5 years ago the plastic clip that held the CPU fan onto the assembly broke off. So I loosely and I mean loosely tied it on to the assembly with that green plastic coated garden binding wire. Ignorance is bliss, I didn't relise at the time cooling is so important.
I dare say cooling was not the issue it is to day with the AMD XP chips.
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is there an easier way to check temps than going into BIOS? :-[
Yes there is, its a little program called Mother Board Monitor. I'll find a link for it when I have more time. Its a handy little prog that monitors lots of things.
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Simon,
the pcAlert 4 I use might work on any motherboard, here's the link along with other free stuff MSI (http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/software/swr/spt_swr_list.php)
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it's a lovely morning up here in Yorkshire,I'm sat with the window wide open to blow away the cobwebs.
Temps are CPU 40 degrees System 30 degrees, room temp can make all the differance.
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I just downloaded Motherboard Monitor 5 (http://mbm.livewiredev.com/) which seem to have all the bells and whistles I need ;)
Oh and CPU temp. 46 deg. C and System temp. 23 deg. C
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Thanks for finding that Adept ... I just have been far to busy to get the time to hunt it out
Thanks again
MBM 5 is brilliant ... it gives you all you could want
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HERE (http://coolmon.arsware.org/) is a little something to go with MBM, seems like a nice little add-on
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I like the look of this (http://www.extensiontech.net/reviews/cooling/hsf/aeroflow/) heatsink and fan from Vantec
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HERE (http://www.monster-hardware.com/reviews/thermalrightsk6sk7%201.htm) is an article on the Thermalright SK6 and SK7 heatsinks ... they compare them with the SLK800 (no its not a Mercedes, although it performs like one).
Looking at the results, it makes me more sure of the temperatures I'm getting on my system. Damn these sinks are good 8)
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Thermalright have improved on the SLK800 and brought out the SLK900U ... now this is the mother of all heatsinks ... check it out HERE (http://www.silentpcreview.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=72&page=1)
I might be tempted to go for one of these if my CPU temperatures increase too much, when I've overclocked it a bit more
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And another look at what is still probably the best heatsink, in terms of outright performance ...Thermalright SLK800 (http://www.viperlair.com/reviews/case_cool/other/heatsinks/thermalright/slk800/slk800.shtml)
Its not cheap tho :-\
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HERE (http://www.overclockercafe.com/Reviews/cooling/Tt_Volcano11/index.html) is a review of the new Thermaltake Volcano 11 heatsink/fan. These are usually reasonably priced and offer good value for high performance systems.
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My new cooling fan ;D
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That's bigger than mine :o :o :o
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Tom's Hardware Guide gives the boxed coolers that come with the AMD chips a going over and offer some advice HERE (http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030404/index.html)