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Technical Help & Discussion => Broadband, Networking, PC Security, Internet & ISPs => Topic started by: Thumbsup on September 08, 2003, 17:03
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Picking up on Robotochan's question of 12th July, I have a similar issue.....
Trying to network XP on a laptop to W98 on a desktop via a mini-hub.
Have used the XP Network setup utility on XP - OK, I think. Couldn't create a setup disk as I could only get an I/O error on diskettes, even new ones.
Used the XP CD to run the Network setup on W98 and ... it blue screens!!
This is only 2 PCs, a mini-hub and some cable. Surely it can't be that difficult. Can it ?
Andy
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Hi Andy, I dont think youd be able to run the XP cd on your 98 one without it trying to install it.
Have you got problems writing other stuff to floppy?
Have you tried running the setup wizard and writing the info to a CD if you cant write to a floppy?
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Hello there Sandra.
The XP CD worked fine on W98, you are given the option of what you want to do , and it is something like 'Additional Facilities', or something like that.
The Network Wizard starts up and takes you through all of the options, but then crashes with the 'Screen of Death'.
No CD writer on the laptop unfortunately, and the floppy drive certainly reads OK, will have to try writing something else tonite.
Andy
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Has 98 not got a network wizard itself Andy?
Maybe you could run that on the desktop and use the settings from that on the laptop ???
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I don't believe it has. You have to know what you want to do and then set it up in W98, so bit flummocksed as I don't know what I need to do !!
A.
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Just had a quick look on knowledge base and it seems like when you ran the network wizard on XP it may have created a network bridge which I dont think you want.
Delete the XP one and re run the wizard following these instructions Andy :
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;283429 (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;283429)
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Don't bother using the network setup wizard on the 98 PC Andy.
Simply edit the TCP/IP settings in the Control Panel Network icon to:-
IP Address: 192.168.0.2
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 192.168.0.1
and on the DNS tab add 192.168.0.1 to the list of DNS servers. You may also have to enter a DNS name in the box on that tab.
Before you do all of that check the equivalent TCP/IP settings on the XP machine. The IP address should be 192.168.0.1. If it isn't substitute all the 192.168.0.1s above with the value on your XP machine.
That should do it :)
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Morning All,
OK, so I have now tried to set up the networking as suggested by Adept. The details are as follows:-
XP on laptop, set up by the Networking Wizard:
IP address: 169.254.108.190
Subnet Mask: 255.255.0.0
Gateway: 169.254.108.191 - oops! error ?
DNS: 169.254.108.190
so on the W98 PC set up the config. as:
IP address: 169.254.108.191
Subnet Mask: 255.255.0.0
Gateway: 169.254.108.190
DNS: 169.254.108.190
DNS Host name: Cameosoft1
XP recognises the LAN as it has sent 528 packets to date, but received 0.
W98 doe snot appear to recognise the LAN as I cannot see the XP laptop. I tried to add a printer and immediately got a message: Unable to browse the network, the network is not accessible, for more info. refer to Help- Network Trouble shooter. It does not seem to look for anything just immediately came up with the message.
Any thoughts?
Also is the DNS Host name important as I don't see it anywhere on the XP config.
Back to work now!
Andy
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I think I made a mistake mentioning the DNS and Gateway values, as these are only really relevant to Internet sharing and not straightforward :o networking. Those values can safely be removed.
It does sound like there is a problem with the setup of the Win98 machine though doesn't it?
Sometimes, even though you have entered all the correct values, Windows 98 networking simply refuses to start. All you can do in this situation is remove all the network components (Client/Adapter/Protocol/Sharing) and re-install them. Make sure you have the driver disk for your network adapter before removing anything.
In the Network Components screen on Win98 you should at least have the following items:-
Client for Microsoft Windows Networking
Network Adapter
TCP/IP
File and Print Sharing
You may also have a dial-up networking adapter and also the Netbeui protocol.
Hope this helps :)
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Morning all. Latest update after holiday!
Taken the DNS and Gateway addresses out as suggested, but connection still not obvious. I have added a another laptop to the network making 3 machines, but NT this time. Tried pinging between them and it appears that I can 'see' 169.254.108.191 (W98) and 169.254.108.192 (NT) from 169.254.108.190 (XP) but I cannot see 169.254.108.190 from the other two! Is this normal ?
However, from the XP machine, I did eventually gain access to the NT machine to get hold of the data, so it does appear to be working.
One side affect possibly of this though has been that I am now not able to access the Internet as I get a "cannot find server or DNS error message" when I dial up and try to access any site!!
Having cleared the DNS IP addresses out, I am surprised about this, but I have recently taken a Microsoft Update to IE6. Any relationship there do you think ?
Why is it that once you embark on changing something you spend weeks afterwards trying to make everything else work. Sxx's law, I guess.
Andy
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Adept intends replying to you when he gets home Andy.
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Thanks Clive.
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Hi Andy :) A few questions ...
Which machine has the Internet on it?
How do you connect to the Net (ADSL modem, 56K modem router etc.)
Do you want to share it with the other pcs on the network?
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Morning Sean,
Sorry to be unclear yesterday.
My target is to have both the XP laptop and the W98 desktop connected together as the only machines on the network. The other laptop is the old one which I am only connecting to finalise a copy of the old data files etc.
The W98 desktop is the centre of the network (not quite the server), and is the normal route for accessing the Internet/email. This machine will have an additional XP system once I have completed the rebuild of the W98 system, and the laptop is connected via a docking station.
When the laptop is not docked, I still want the ability to access the internet with it, although email access will stay with the W98 (XP future) desktop.
Access to the Internet is via 56K modem due to the fact that in my part of the world, broadband is something we might get in the 3rd millenium!
Too much information ?
Andy
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Theres no such thing as too much information where PC problems are concerned Andy, what may seem totally irrelevant to you may be the one thing that is causing the problem :)
Just a thought Andy, you have set a shared folder up on each of your PCs have you ???
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Hi Sandra. Certainly for the connection that has worked! I will recheck. But surely that wouldn't stop ping giving me a positive response ?
Andy
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Probably not Andy ???
Another thing that may though would a firewall on the inaccessable PC which wasnt allowing the other to "see" it, so maybe you could temporarily disable it to make sure that its not blocking it.
Try this offline though to be safe :)
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Andy, are you saying that the machine that does the dial-up cannot access the Internet? If so, that's a separate problem. You may need to have a look at the dial-up networking connector because there is probably something wrong there.
If you mean the other pc on the network cannot access the Internet, that is to do with the DNS and gateway information I had you remove before ::) Basically, the PC that is sharing the Internet connection to the network doesn't need any seetings in DNS and gateway. The othe PC's DNS and gateway should point to the IP address of the PC doing the sharing. I hope that's clear :-\ ;)
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Sean,
just to confirm, I took the DNS and Gateway values out from both machines, and now the machine that is doing the Internet dialup (W98 Desktop) cannot reach any sites, although it dials and connects correctly. Can you confirm what the DNS and Gateway values should be on this machine if the IP address: 169.254.108.191 is and the Subnet Mask: 255.255.0.0 ??
Thanks.
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Also, going back to reply #7 I do still have the problem where the W98 Desktop machine does not appear to have any 'Sharing' capabilities. I have clicked the boxes in Setup Networking, but for whatever resource, when I go to Properties for printers of files, there is no 'Sharing' tab, to allow me to authorise access.
As you suggested before I had already removed all of the Networking components and re-installed them together with the NIC driver.
Any thoughts ?
Andy
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just to confirm, I took the DNS and Gateway values out from both machines, and now the machine that is doing the Internet dialup (W98 Desktop) cannot reach any sites, although it dials and connects correctly. Can you confirm what the DNS and Gateway values should be on this machine if the IP address: 169.254.108.191 is and the Subnet Mask: 255.255.0.0 ??
The DNS and gateway settings will make no difference to whether a dial-up networking session works OK. It sounds like there is something else wrong, possibly with the DUN connector or maybe IE :-\ I don't have Win98 handy to check, but isn't there a Dial-up Networking bit that also goes in the network settings?
Also, going back to reply #7 I do still have the problem where the W98 Desktop machine does not appear to have any 'Sharing' capabilities. I have clicked the boxes in Setup Networking, but for whatever resource, when I go to Properties for printers of files, there is no 'Sharing' tab, to allow me to authorise access.
As you suggested before I had already removed all of the Networking components and re-installed them together with the NIC driver.
Did you reinstall "File and Printer Sharing" by clicking the button and ticking the "Share my files" and "Share my Printer" tickboxes?
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Did you try disabling your firewalls Andy ?
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Hello there Sean,
Point 1 answer. Yes, there is a Dial Up Networking component installed, and it did work when I initially set up W98 anew 6 weeks or so ago, but has stopped since all of the changing of IP addresses, File Sharing etc. etc.
Point 2 answer. Yes, I did click the boxes off and then clicked them back on again. It probably asked for the W98 CD, but to be honest it has asked for it so many times recently I forget.
Andy
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Hi Sandra,
I don't have any firewalls (to my knowledge), but I did hear that XP has some Fw capability, so no, I have not disabled anything.
Andy
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Its always worth a try:
Using Windows XP do the following -
1- Open the Control Panel
2- Click the Network Connections icon
3- Right click on one of the options (e.g. Local Area Connection 2)
4- Select "Properties" then go to the Advanced tab
5- Un-check the box there
Any more feedback and us techies will try to get the problem sorted 8)
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Partial Good News Sandra and White Devil.
The firewall function in XP was activated, so when I deactivated it, the ping between all of the machines now works, and I am able to communicate between the two laptops (XP and NT). But the (newly installed) W98 desktop system still refuses to participate.
I have tested access to this machine via the old and original version of W98 and guess what, it works!
So, I do have a problem with my newly installed W98 system where I am unable to get any File or Printer Sharing capability or even access anything in the Network Neighbourhood as I always get a message box saying "Unable to Browse Network. The network is not accessible........ look in the Network Troubleshooter".
When I loaded the new version of W98, I did accept a very large download of Security patches and IE6 from Microsoft Update. I hope this didn't screw things up!
I have uninstalled the network components including File Sharing a number of times, and then reinstalled them.
Anyone got any thoughts ?
Andy
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I havent networked 98 to XP so I am not sure what could be the problem at the moment Andy but if you intend to install XP on your 98 desktop at a later date would it not be simpler to install XP now as that is more likely to work straight away with the other XP machines ?
Hopefully Adept will come up with something to allow the 98 PC to network if its essential that you keep 98 for now.
You shouldnt be running without a firewall Andy, now that we know it was stopping XP to XP if you go into the advanced tab where you disabled the firewall, re enable it and click on SETTINGS that brings up a list of programs that you can allow access through the firewall.
Click on ADD and add the IP addresses of the PCs that both your XP systems need to connect to :)
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My normal solution for Win98 network faults is to delete the network adapter, reboot and let Windows re-install the default settings. Then I amend the settings to what I want them to be.
Since you've already done this a few times it's my guess it's not going to work this time :(
Sandra's idea about upgrading to XP sounds like a good one.