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The Great Global Warming Swindle
mistybear:
--- Quote from: Sandra on March 18, 2007, 00:16 ---Houses were clean but not as sterile and antiseptic as we keep them now.
All kids enjoyed playing in the dirt and probably ate worms, good amounts of mud and other nasty things that would horrify todays parents, unlike today when they often arent even allowed to play on grass because of pesticides and fertiliser etc.
All of these things helped to boost our immune systems and enabled us to fight off the things that cause asthma and other allergies these days.
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Couldn't agree more, the chemicals that we use in our homes these days are dangerous, they kill everything. I very rarely use strong cleaners, actually I won't be anymore, as the last few times I have we both felt quite sick afterwards. And using strong cleaners on the floors can't be all that good for our pets. We need a certain amount of germs or else we will all end up in bubbles.
Hospitals have proved what strong anti-bacterial cleaning can do, produce super bugs. My aunt died from a infection she caught in hospital.
Clive:
--- Quote from: sam on March 18, 2007, 11:14 ---I don't know one scientist who would ever lie about results to promote himself.
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Ah! The innocence of youth.... ;D
davy51:
The exhaust gases coming out of cars in LA are cleaner than the air the engines take in Sam, not sure about how good or bad their power stations are.
I can tell you from personal experiance the air in L.A and chicago sometimes is brown and very visible
the gases comming out of the exaust is invisible
Sandra:
@Gmax, Sam and Davy, please read these 2 pages :
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/05/eveningnews/main521001.shtml
--- Quote ---(CBS) It looks like any other smog-producing car engine, but, as CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales reports, researchers in California say this new design could actually improve the nation's air quality.
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http://www.chevron.com/news/speeches/2003/10sep2003_woertz.asp
--- Quote ---The University of California at Riverside has studied these so-called "green cars" to assess their tailpipe emissions. And the preliminary results are surprisingly good.
According to the researchers, emissions from these vehicles are so minimal that they often cannot be measured with conventional equipment. In a recent press release, Allan Lloyd, the chairman of the California Air Resources Board, acknowledged the remarkable impact of the cleanest versions of these cars. He said, "We've seen the near impossible with gasoline vehicles: zero evaporative emissions, exceedingly clean exhaust -- cleaner, in some cases, than the outside air. ..."
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Think about this: In other words, the air going out the tailpipe of these cars is actually cleaner than what's going into them, which is a pretty interesting twist on cars and air quality. It's almost as if we can drive around in rolling air filters.
Even more impressive is that some of these gasoline-powered cars produce less emissions than the power plants needed to make electricity for battery-powered cars.
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Point proven ?
sam:
no not really. I don't believe a word CBS comes out with and the other sounds like propaganda by chevron, who you would expect to champion the technology.
I think the UCalifornia stuff sounds a bit more interesting, but I love the word preliminary results! I have had many preliminary results that prove something to later, devl further, and have it completely different.
I think the key here is the relation to California.. if you put it in a lab with properly clean air (ie. stuff you would get away from the city and industry) then I bet they won't be able to make the same claim.
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