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sam:

--- Quote from: Sandra on March 18, 2007, 00:16 ---The exhaust gases coming out of cars in LA are cleaner than the air the engines take in Sam, not sure about how good or bad their power stations are.
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not sure how that can work...


--- Quote from: Sandra on March 18, 2007, 00:16 ---Asthma and allergies in children has increased dramatically in the last 20 or 30 years, I dont remember anyone having an inhaler when I was at school although some adults had them.
I believe that this is caused by weakened immune systems more so than increase in pollutants.
We were taken to chicken pox parties and the likes when someones child got it so we could catch it and develop an immunity to that and other diseases.
Houses were clean but not as sterile and antiseptic as we keep them now..

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This probably does not help the situation and heck our cities are less smogy than they were a 100 or so ago, but maybe we should be able to remove this full stop.


--- Quote from: Sandra on March 18, 2007, 00:16 ---Trains are too expensive and dont go where most people need them, unless you have an London underground type system and even that shuts down too early for a lot of people.
Buses take too long and are expensive per journey.
Both are awkward if you want to deliver something like a newly built pc to someone at the other side of town, or need to get your weekly shopping from the supermarket back home.

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So how about the 1/4 of a million commuters that go threw new st station every morning, tell them that. They can be awkward but they do the job. In Birmingham it is far quicker (apart from after say 8pm) to get to most of the city via public transport. The buses are regular and the trains aren't in the best places for all but are very good for those near them (I live a 20 min walk away to mine which is direct to the Uni). I have learnt through my whole life (my parents dont drive) to get the supermarket shopping locally (10 minute walk)... and walk and carry it! Anyway, it is feasible in any city (I was in Liverpool on Sat and got a bus at 3am!), possibly not in more remote regions, so I can see the need for a car there. I also see the need for deliveries but for most journeys in a city public transport is by far the best option. Also in Birmingham it is far far cheaper (just thinking about car parking costs).

GillE:
The Telegraph is beginning to look a bit more critically at the causes of global warming:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/18/ngreen118.xml

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/18/ngreen218.xml

Gill

sam:
umm some interesting reading there. I am still not convinced that humans have not had a large impact on our climate. I think we have but there are still trends to the Earth's climate for various reasons causing global warming and cooling. I just think that the last century has seen us destabilise this system and we can do something about it. I don't think it is some big consipiracy by scientists to make you buy energy effiecient equipment, heck energy efficiency means cheaper running costs. I don't know one scientist who would ever lie about results to promote himself.

gmax:
Sandra wrote

The exhaust gases coming out of cars in LA are cleaner than the air the engines take in Sam, not sure about how good or bad their power stations are.

 :o Sandra could you test your theory for me? , connect some tubing to the exhaust
pipe of your car then put the tubing inside your car, then sit in your car with the
motor running and the windows up for 10 minutes. If you don't reply i will know you
have tried it. ;)

mistybear:

--- Quote from: davy51 on March 17, 2007, 13:46 ---you didnt wast your time misty

hopefully sooner or later everything we do will count for something

we just have to keep trying

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Well it appears that you in the US are headed for a new government, as will we next year. Hopefully some things will improve.

Oh, and Clive, the sooner we become extinct, the sooner this beautiful planet can recover. A friend told me he had heard someone say that "we are nothing more than a parasite on this planet, and a parasite that is out of control".
Must find out who said that?

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