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Simon:
--- Quote from: Sandra on April 17, 2008, 13:21 ---If burglars started carrying guns then presumably the police could catch them before they broke in anywhere as I would make carrying a gun outside of your home very hard to obtain a permit for.
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The police can't even catch burglars after they have broken in, so I can't see than managing to do so before! Also, it would be very difficult to police a law that only allowed guns to be kept in the home. Burglars don't all wear stripy jumpers, and carry bags with 'swag' written on them, so short of stopping and searching virtually everyone in the street, how could a 'home gun permit' be enforced?
Reno:
--- Quote from: mistybear on April 17, 2008, 09:39 ---General Patton wanted to attack Russia. General MacArthur wanted to use nuclear weapons in the Korean war. Better to install military bases around the world, missile defence systems, satellites systems. But even better is the use of the world bank, IMF and corporate America to financially control countries, whilst stripping them of their resources.
I'm sure America takes as much notice of NATO, as it does the UN Security Council.
And what government agencies provide assistance to dictators when they're useful, then have them overthrown.
"Political Isolation" we can only dream.
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That's my point, the world dreamed once and WWI happened. It dreamed twice and WWII happened. I find it funny your attacking the military generals who kept you from either being thrown in a furnace or speaking German.
The world governments GIVE money to the world bank so they can lend it to poor countries to prevent starvation. That's all the world bank does. Every few years when things get bad in Africa the world forgives their debts so the world bank can lend out more money.
--- Quote ---"Exploits" and "Exploration" Don't you mean genocide, and theft.
And if you read the article, it was a comparison of different types of violence covering 400 years, including all wars.
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I did read that article. It's just unbelievable your citing something that takes pre-American historical fact to justify an opinion about todays America. The majority of genocide was done by Europeans selling blankets who's previous owners had died of small-pox to the Indians. Lets see, how long did england rule in Scotland before the scottish raised an army to get legitimacy?
--- Quote ---America's population at 1900 was 76 million increasing to 273 million in 1999.
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Wow, did you just loose the complete point of all that?
--- Quote from: gmax on April 17, 2008, 11:57 ---Would you prefer most of the burglars carried guns?, Is that the only reason you want a gun for the satisfaction of shooting a burglar?.
If your home was to be robbed your unlikely to be home, but if you were home you would be fast asleep or possibly woken with a gun
pointed at your head.
I would prefer to tackle a burglar not armed with a gun, i have a number of other weapons that would do the job nicely.
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It isn't about satisfaction. You seem to think that there's pleasure involved with killing someone. It's about protection. You talk about having other weapons in the house. What are you going to use, a crossbow on a burglar? A bat? A bloody book?
--- Quote ---In America you can open a bank account and as a bonus you get a free gun. Americans are continuously being brought up in a culture with a strong military background.
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Cite your source. Israel demands that everyone in the population capable of serving in the military enlist. You don't see high crime, school shootings and the such there.
--- Quote ---The two boys from the columbine shooting, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris bought their guns from a gun show and their bullets from Kmart.
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Actually they got their older friends to buy the guns from a gun show. Go figure in population of 300,000,000 there would be a few nuts. Are you saying the UK hasn't had any horrible crimes like this, or are you saying just none of them have happened inside a school?
mistybear:
--- Quote from: Reno on April 17, 2008, 16:03 ---That's my point, the world dreamed once and WWI happened. It dreamed twice and WWII happened. I find it funny your attacking the military generals who kept you from either being thrown in a furnace or speaking German.
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I'm not "attacking" anyone, just stating facts. And speaking of which, as I'm Australian, my father and uncles kept me from being brought up on a diet of sushi.
--- Quote from: Reno on April 17, 2008, 16:03 ---The world governments GIVE money to the world bank so they can lend it to poor countries to prevent starvation. That's all the world bank does. Every few years when things get bad in Africa the world forgives their debts so the world bank can lend out more money.
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"When things get bad" are these the small periods in between the other times when there isn't kids dying of starvation and disease.
"That's all the world bank does", not exactly.
--- Quote ---In July, 2004, the IMF and World Bank commemorated the 60th anniversary of their founding at Bretton Woods, NH to provide a financial framework of assistance for the postwar world after the expected defeat of Germany and Japan. With breathtaking hypocrisy, an October, 2004 Development Committee Communique stated: "As we celebrate the 60th anniversary of the Bretton Woods Institutions....we recommit ourselves to supporting efforts by developing countries to pursue sustainable growth, sound macroeconomic policies, debt sustainability, open trade, job creation, poverty reduction and good governance." Phew.
In fact, for 63 hellish years, both these institutions achieved mirror opposite results on everything the above comment states. From inception, their mission was to integrate developing nations into the Global North-dominated world economy and use debt repayment as the way to transfer wealth from poor countries to powerful bankers in rich ones.
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7207
--- Quote from: Reno on April 17, 2008, 16:03 ---I did read that article. It's just unbelievable your citing something that takes pre-American historical fact to justify an opinion about todays America. The majority of genocide was done by Europeans selling blankets who's previous owners had died of small-pox to the Indians. Lets see, how long did england rule in Scotland before the scottish raised an army to get legitimacy?
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"Pre-American history", so when would you like to take responsibility from 1776, 1781 or 1784 and everything that happened before then was them Europeans.
And the genocide "by the Europeans" was "accidental". And once the Americans gain independence there was no longer any violence or genocide, and lets not forget the theft of lands. So is this an example of
--- Quote ---So, for the most part, Americans, laymen and historians alike, have been able to practice what some historians have termed "selective" recollection or "historical amnesia" about the violence in their past and present.
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--- Quote from: Reno on April 17, 2008, 16:03 ---Wow, did you just loose the complete point of all that?
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I think you have lost the point all together.
--- Quote ---?America is, by far, the most violent country in the world when measured against comparable, industrialized nations.?
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Reno:
--- Quote from: mistybear on April 18, 2008, 09:05 ---I'm not "attacking" anyone, just stating facts. And speaking of which, as I'm Australian, my father and uncles kept me from being brought up on a diet of sushi.
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Facts? Your citing an opinion with historical fact peppered here and there in a vague attempt at legitimacy. Go on google and type conspiracy theories and you'll get thousands of examples of bs like this.
BTW, I'm glade your Australian. Do they teach the definition of "WORLD War" down under?
--- Quote ---"When things get bad" are these the small periods in between the other times when there isn't kids dying of starvation and disease.
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I hate to break it to you but people have always been dieing of starvation. Are you going to accuse America of that too? I wonder what country puts out the largest amount of aid a year?
Would you say the Australian government and people are guilty of genocide? I remember reading about some tragically similar crimes carried out against the Aborigines.
Link
--- Quote ---"That's all the world bank does", not exactly.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7207
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Bank
There's an actual encyclopedia source.... It loans out money to poor countries which is exactly what I said it did. The problem is the countries in need most often are either rules by dictators or are infested with corruption. What ends up happening is people starve and their corrupt governments don't spread the aid.
--- Quote ---"Pre-American history", so when would you like to take responsibility from 1776, 1781 or 1784 and everything that happened before then was them Europeans.
And the genocide "by the Europeans" was "accidental". And once the Americans gain independence there was no longer any violence or genocide, and lets not forget the theft of lands. So is this an example of
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I won't take responsibility. I was born in 1986. My country took responsibility for itself in 1776 when it was accepted by the American people. When the United States first gained independence from England A third of what we know to be the United states was controlled by France and a third was controlled by Spain. Russia controlled Alaska. If you want a metaphor it would be the same as if I accused you of crimes committed in a home you haven't moved into yet.
--- Quote ---I think you have lost the point all together.
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You sure do a good job proving your point. :clap:
mistybear:
--- Quote from: Reno on April 18, 2008, 22:39 ---Facts? Your citing an opinion with historical fact peppered here and there in a vague attempt at legitimacy. Go on google and type conspiracy theories and you'll get thousands of examples of bs like this.
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--- Quote ---General Patton wanted to attack Russia. General MacArthur wanted to use nuclear weapons in the Korean war.
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Both of those are facts.
So which are the "historical fact" that I have peppered? "Vague attempt" at what, stating the obvious, that ?America is, by far, the most violent country in the world when measured against comparable, industrialized nations.? What has conspiracy theories have to do with that?
--- Quote from: Reno on April 18, 2008, 22:39 ---BTW, I'm glade your Australian. Do they teach the definition of "WORLD War" down under?
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So am I, best country in the world. And being apart of the "British Empire" we have served in "WORLD Wars" (And it's not polite to yell)
--- Quote from: Reno on April 18, 2008, 22:39 ---I hate to break it to you but people have always been dieing of starvation. Are you going to accuse America of that too? I wonder what country puts out the largest amount of aid a year?
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Thank you for that, I hadn't realised and dieing is spelt like this, dying. Am I making "accusations".
--- Quote from: Reno on April 18, 2008, 22:39 ---Would you say the Australian government and people are guilty of genocide? I remember reading about some tragically similar crimes carried out against the Aborigines.
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Yes, white Europeans have committed genocide in numerous countries they have invaded, this being one of them, and the appalling attitudes and legislation of various and recent governments have continued their mistreatment. But I hope our current government, whose first parliamentary act, was to apologise to the "Stolen Generation", will
continue with reconciliation of the original owners of this land.
--- Quote from: Reno on April 18, 2008, 22:39 ---http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Bank
There's an actual encyclopedia source.... It loans out money to poor countries which is exactly what I said it did. The problem is the countries in need most often are either rules by dictators or are infested with corruption. What ends up happening is people starve and their corrupt governments don't spread the aid.
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I know what the "World Bank" is suppose to do, but I'm sure what they actually do won't be listed on a site that can be edited by anyone. Do you believe everything that read in history books, where are the sections on genocide, oh, that's right, Americans didn't do any of that.
And I suppose you believe everything you see on Fox as well, why don't you get out into the real world and see what is actually happening instead of the propaganda that the mainstream media spoon feeds you. There are two sides to every story, open your mind up to the rest of the world.
--- Quote from: Reno on April 18, 2008, 22:39 ---I won't take responsibility. I was born in 1986. My country took responsibility for itself in 1776 when it was accepted by the American people. When the United States first gained independence from England A third of what we know to be the United states was controlled by France and a third was controlled by Spain. Russia controlled Alaska. If you want a metaphor it would be the same as if I accused you of crimes committed in a home you haven't moved into yet.
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Seems to be a reoccurring theme in your part of the world, are you sure I'm not talking to Dubya. So it's not your fault as you were born, boy, that explains a lot. It's one third France's fault, one third Spain's fault and Russia is to blame for anything that happened in Alaska. So, that leaves Americians being responsible for.......... really, you should be a politician.
--- Quote from: Reno on April 18, 2008, 22:39 ---You sure do a good job proving your point. :clap:
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Geez, thanks. I hope I didn't use too many big words for you.
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